Propulsion system used in Space probes?

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The discussion revolves around the power sources and propulsion systems used in space probes, focusing on how these systems sustain long flights and achieve high speeds in the vacuum of space. Participants explore various propulsion methods, including chemical rockets and ion drives, as well as the physics behind speed attainment in space compared to Earth.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the power sources for space probes, noting that chemical rockets are commonly used for launch, while ion drives may be utilized for sustained thrust in future missions.
  • Liquid hydrogen and hydrazine are mentioned as popular fuels, with concerns raised about the limited supply of Pu-238 for future missions.
  • One participant questions how space probes achieve high speeds compared to speeds on Earth, suggesting that the maximum speed on Earth is around 7 Mach.
  • Another participant explains that Newton's second law applies, where applying a net force causes acceleration, and cites the Deep Space 1 mission's use of ion propulsion as an example of achieving significant speeds over time.
  • Orbital velocities and the use of gravitational slingshot maneuvers are discussed as methods to increase probe speeds, with references to the speeds of classical rockets and the effects of gravity wells.
  • It is noted that the maximum speed in space is limited by fuel and the rocket equation, with no atmospheric drag allowing for higher sustained speeds compared to Earth.
  • Links to external resources on spacecraft propulsion and ion engines are provided for further exploration of the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the specifics of propulsion methods and speed attainment, with no clear consensus reached on the best approaches or the implications of different propulsion systems.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the limitations of current fuel supplies and the potential future use of ion drives, highlighting the dependence on specific technologies and the unresolved nature of fuel availability for upcoming missions.

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring spacecraft propulsion technologies, physics enthusiasts, and those curious about the mechanics of space travel.

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What is the power source for space probes and how it is sustained for long flights in space?
Also how do space probes reach phenomenal speeds (Helios attained 252,792 km/h !)
 
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http://www.nasa.gov/missions/index.html has pages for current and past missions. My quick survey indicates that fuels are identified on many.

Liquid hydrogen is popular. Hydrazine is listed. Pu-238 has been used on most robotic missions, but I've heard concern that the supply is too small to do all NASA will want in the future.
 
Thanks for the info, but how is it possible to achieve high speed in space when compared to Earth . In Earth the max speed achieved is around 7 mach
 
I am not an expert in this, but I would guess it is simply Newton's second law in action: whenever you apply a net force to a body, the body accelerates.

The Deep Space 1 mission was sent tot look at Comet Borrelly in 2001. It had an ion drive, so by flinging off Xe ions, it experienced a thrust about equal to the weight of a sheet of paper. After about 600 days it was moving 11,000 km/h.

I don't understand your second sentence. Are your saying that is the speed record for something in the Earth's atmosphere?
 
Orbital velocity is about 17,000 mph.
The highest speeds reached by classical rockets are somewhere in the 30-50,000 mph,
for outer planet probes.
It is common to use orbital slingshot manoeuvers to speed up these probes, which dramatically reduces the fuel required by exploiting the gravity well of the planets.
Falling down the gravity well to the sun is also an excellent way to achieve very high speeds, as comets demonstrate regularly.
 
Arul Sivan said:
What is the power source for space probes and how it is sustained for long flights in space?

It depends, but most are launched into orbit using chemical rockets. New probes might be using ion drives in the not too distant future, which can sustain low amounts of thrust for a long time (instead of high thrust for a very short time like a chemical rocket).

Arul Sivan said:
Also how do space probes reach phenomenal speeds (Helios attained 252,792 km/h !)

Helios' max speed is a close pass of the sun. In an eccentric orbit, the closer something comes to the body it's orbiting the faster it goes.

Arul Sivan said:
Thanks for the info, but how is it possible to achieve high speed in space when compared to Earth . In Earth the max speed achieved is around 7 mach

You're talking about max speed in the atmosphere. In space, the maximum speed is limited by the amount of fuel you're carrying and the rocket equation. Since there's no air in space there's no drag, so you can sustain very high speeds (the space shuttle orbited Earth at about 30,000 kph, Mach 25).
 
Nope, was just trying to give a comparison. But you have answered my question
 

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