Prove a subgroup of G/H X G/K is isomorphic to G/(H intersect K)

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The problem involves proving that the product of two quotient groups, G/H and G/K, contains a subgroup that is isomorphic to the quotient group G/(H∩K), where H and K are normal subgroups of G.

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  • Participants discuss the construction of a homomorphism from G to G/H x G/K, with some questioning the validity of using G/(H∩K) as a kernel. There is exploration of the natural homomorphisms associated with right cosets.

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Some participants have offered guidance regarding the construction of the homomorphism and the properties of images of homomorphisms. There is an ongoing exploration of notation and the relevance of isomorphism theorems, indicating a productive exchange of ideas.

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There is a mention of assumptions regarding the availability of the first isomorphism theorem, which may influence the discussion's direction.

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Homework Statement



Suppose H and K are normal subgroups of G. Prove that G/H x G/K has a subgroup isomorphic to G/(H\capK)

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The Attempt at a Solution



I was trying to find a homomorphism from G to G/H x G/K where G/(H\capK) is the kernal. Maybe something like if g is in H it getts mapped to (Hg, e), but nothing like that worked. I'm really stuck on this one.
 
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Avatarjoe said:

Homework Statement



Suppose H and K are normal subgroups of G. Prove that G/H x G/K has a subgroup isomorphic to G/(H\capK)

The Attempt at a Solution



I was trying to find a homomorphism from G to G/H x G/K where G/(H\capK) is the kernal.
That doesn't make any sense, because G/(H \cap K) is not a subgroup of G. What you need is a homomorphism with kernel H \cap K.

Assuming you're working with right cosets, the natural homomorphism from G to G/H is g \mapsto Hg, and the natural homomorphism from G to G/K is g \mapsto Kg. Can you use these to construct a homomorphism from G to G/H x G/K?
 
That doesn't make any sense, because G/(H∩K) is not a subgroup of G. What you need is a homomorphism with kernel H∩K.

Assuming you're working with right cosets, the natural homomorphism from G to G/H is g↦Hg, and the natural homomorphism from G to G/K is g↦Kg. Can you use these to construct a homomorphism from G to G/H x G/K?

Right. Thanks, that is what I meant. So g↦ (Hg, Kg) is a homomorphism and that's easy to prove. Also H∩K will be the kernal. If I'm not mistaken, I just need to show that {Hg x Kg} is a subgroup of G/H x G/K and then the homomorphism will be onto that subgroup by the way I defined it. Then G/(H∩K) is isomorphic to {Hg x Kg}

Thanks for your help.
 
Avatarjoe said:
If I'm not mistaken, I just need to show that {Hg x Kg} is a subgroup of G/H x G/K
No need to do that - surely you have encountered the theorem that the image of a homomorphism is always a subgroup. If not, it's easy to prove - easier than trying to show it for a specific case like this one.

By the way, I understand what you mean by your notation, {Hg x Kg}, but I don't think it's very good notation. I would suggest writing something like \{(Hg, Kg) : g \in G\}.
 
Another question: have you seen the isomorphism theorems yet?? They might come in handy.
 
micromass said:
Another question: have you seen the isomorphism theorems yet?? They might come in handy.

I have been implicitly assuming that he has the first isomorphism theorem available. Avatarjoe, is that a valid assumption?
 

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