Prove: \(F(a,b)^*=F(a) \cup F(b)\)

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The discussion revolves around the notation and properties of fields in the context of automorphisms and Galois Groups, specifically focusing on the expression \(F(a,b)^*=F(a) \cup F(b)\) and its implications. Participants are exploring the definitions and meanings of the notation used in the problem, as well as the relationships between the fields involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the expression should be a union rather than an intersection, suggesting that there is no reason to assume \(b \in F(a)\).
  • Another participant expresses confusion about the meaning of the * notation, proposing that it might indicate a dual structure rather than referring to nonzero elements.
  • A different participant suggests that the * could refer to elements that have an inverse.
  • One participant references a specific text, mentioning a notation related to the Galois group, but expresses uncertainty about its meaning.
  • A later reply clarifies that \(F(a,b)^*\) refers to the field of automorphisms of a larger field containing \(F(a,b)\), which aids in understanding the problem.

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Participants express differing views on the meaning of the * notation and the relationship between the fields, indicating that there is no consensus on these points. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct interpretation of the notation and the properties of the fields involved.

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G. Shorter questions relating to automorphisms and Galois Groups

Let F be a field, and K a finite extension of F. Suppose \(a,b \in K\). Prove parts 1-3.

2. \(F(a,b)^*=F(a)^* \cap F(b)^*\)

Surely, they mean the union of F(a) and F(b) and not the intersection? There is no reason to think that \(b \in F(a)\) and therefore no reason to think \(b \in F(a)^* \cap F(b)^*\)?

Also what is the * about? Usualy I would expect \(F(a)^*=F(a)-\{0\}\) but I can see no reason to exclude the zero element. So has the author made typos or am I just confused?
 
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Kiwi said:
Also what is the * about?
That's the same question that I have. The * notation cannot refer to the nonzero elements. It seems to me that it must indicate some sort of dual structure. I suggest you look bach through whatever text these questions come from, to see where this notation is defined.
 
Could it mean the subset of elements that have an inverse?
 
You could have given us more information about the book you are reading. But on page 327 of that book, I read that $I^*=\mbox{Gal} (K:I)$ is the fixer of $I$. I have no idea what that means.
 
Thanks guys. F(a,b)* is the field of automorphisms of, a larger field containing F(a,b), that don't change each element in F(a,b). With that knowledge solving the problem is straightforward.
 

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