Prove IVP with Bolzano-Wierstrass & Heine-Borel

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The discussion focuses on proving the Intermediate Value Property (IVP) using the Bolzano-Weierstrass (B-W) and Heine-Borel (H-B) properties. The key conclusion is that if a continuous function f on the interval [a,b] does not equal a real number c, then f must either be greater than or less than c throughout the interval. The B-W property asserts that a closed and bounded set has converging subsequences, while the H-B property states that a subset of reals is compact if it is closed and bounded. The discussion highlights the inappropriateness of using these theorems to prove the IVP, as they pertain to compactness rather than connectedness.

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Tricky problem. Any tips? Thanks SOO much! :biggrin:


Homework Statement



Let f be continuous on [a,b] and let c be a real number. If for every x in [a,b] f(x) is NOT c, then either f(x) > c for all x in [a,b] OR f(x) < c for all x in [a,b]. Prove this using a) Bolzano-Wierstrass and b) Heine-Borel property.

Homework Equations



B-W property: A set of reals is closed and bounded if and only if every sequence of points chosen fro E has a subsequence that converges to a point in E.
H-B property: A subset of the reals has the HB property if and only if A is both closed and bounded.

(Note the function given fits HB and BW propertis by definition).

The Attempt at a Solution



Some hints:

For WB: suppose false. Explain how there exist sequences {x_n} and {y_n} such that f(x_n) > c, f(y_n) < c and |x_n - y_n| < 1/n
For HB: Suppose false and xplain why there should exist at each point x in [a,b] an open interval I_x centered so that either f(t)>c for all t in intersection of I_x and [a,b] or else f(t)<c for all t in the intersection of I_x in [a,b]
 
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This seems like a strange question. The Heine-Borel and Bolzano-Weierstrass theorems each state that a closed and bounded subset of \mathbb{R} is compact (each using a different characterization of compactness). However, the intermediate value theorem for closed intervals in \mathbb{R} is not a consequence of compactness, but of connectedness.

In your question, one might replace [a,b] by [0,1] \cup [2,3], a compact but disconnected set. This set possesses the Heine-Borel and Bolzano-Weierstrass properties, but the intermediate value theorem is obviously false for it (consider any function which takes one constant value on [0,1] and another on [2,3]).

While the fact you are asked to prove is true, the theorems you are asked to use to prove it seem totally inappropriate to the task.
 

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