Prove limit of this recursive sequence

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The problem involves a recursive sequence defined by s1=1 and sn+1=sqrt(sn+1) for n≥1. Participants are tasked with proving that the limit of this sequence is 1/2(1+sqrt(5)). The context is rooted in real analysis and concerns the convergence of sequences.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the properties of the sequence, including its boundedness and monotonicity. There is an exploration of the limit L and its relationship to the recursive definition, with some suggesting to derive L from the equation L=sqrt(L+1). Others question the necessity of continuity in justifying the limit's behavior.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with various approaches being explored to establish the limit. Some participants have provided insights into the continuity of functions involved, while others have suggested using the quadratic equation to find the limit. There is no explicit consensus yet, but multiple lines of reasoning are being examined.

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Participants are navigating the implications of continuity and limit theorems in the context of a real analysis course, with some expressing uncertainty about the relevance of continuity in this specific scenario.

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Homework Statement



Let s1=1 and for n>=1 let sn+1=sqrt(sn+1)

Prove that the limit of this sequence is 1/2(1+Sqrt(5))

Homework Equations


Show that there exist an N for every \epsilon> 0, such that n>N implies

|Sn-1/2(1+Sqrt(5))|< \epsilon


The Attempt at a Solution


I can prove that s is a increasing sequence bounded above thus s converges to a real number, but how to manipulate the terms inside the absolutely value takes a little more than conventional wisdom.

At first we realize that: sn+12 = sn+1, and since we are dealing with an increasing sequence, we can find a bound for sn, but can't see how that's useful
 
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If sn has a limit L, then L has to satisfy L=sqrt(L+1), doesn't it?
 
thanks, seems exactly what I needed. To reach that conclusion, can I take the following steps:

Let lim sn = s

Since lim (An + Bn)= lim An + lim Bn then lim (Sn + 1) = s + 1

Then use an similar argument for the square root to obtain lim sn+1 = Sqrt(s + 1)

and since lim sn = lim sn+1, s = sqrt(s+1)
 
vrbke1007kkr said:
thanks, seems exactly what I needed. To reach that conclusion, can I take the following steps:

Let lim sn = s

Since lim (An + Bn)= lim An + lim Bn then lim (Sn + 1) = s + 1

Then use an similar argument for the square root to obtain lim sn+1 = Sqrt(s + 1)

and since lim sn = lim sn+1, s = sqrt(s+1)

Sure. Taking the limit of s_n+1=sqrt(sn+1) gives you L=sqrt(L+1).
 
If this is for a real analysis course you should probably justify that such a limit must satisfy this equation by mentioning the fact that sqrt(x) is continuous. This is the 'similar' argument you are thinking of when you look at the inference "lim (An + Bn)= lim An + lim Bn then lim (Sn + 1) = s + 1".

sqrt(x) and x+1 are continuous.
 
ZioX said:
If this is for a real analysis course you should probably justify that such a limit must satisfy this equation by mentioning the fact that sqrt(x) is continuous. This is the 'similar' argument you are thinking of when you look at the inference "lim (An + Bn)= lim An + lim Bn then lim (Sn + 1) = s + 1".

sqrt(x) and x+1 are continuous.

Thanks :) good thing we already proved the latter in a previous theorem so we can use it freely
 
Try using the quadratic equation to get your limit. :-)

Equivalently, show that your limit is the root of the equation x^2 - x -1.
 
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ZioX said:
If this is for a real analysis course you should probably justify that such a limit must satisfy this equation by mentioning the fact that sqrt(x) is continuous. This is the 'similar' argument you are thinking of when you look at the inference "lim (An + Bn)= lim An + lim Bn then lim (Sn + 1) = s + 1".

sqrt(x) and x+1 are continuous.

I do not think continuity is need here. These results are simple limit theorems. Besides, continuity usually comes after limit of sequences so I doubt it should be used here.
 

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