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The discussion revolves around a recursive sequence defined by the relation ##a_n = \frac{(x/a_{n-1})+a_{n-1}}{2}##, where ##a_0 = y## is a positive number. Participants are tasked with proving that the sequence is decreasing and converges to ##\sqrt{x}##.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Some participants express confusion regarding the implications of the initial condition ##a_0 = y##, particularly when ##y < \sqrt{x}##. Others suggest that the sequence should be considered converging rather than strictly decreasing.
  • One participant proposes a method to show that ##a_n \ge \sqrt{x}## for all ##n \ge 1##, regardless of the value of ##a_0##, and that the sequence is decreasing.
  • Another participant raises a question about the indexing convention for sequences, specifically whether the sequence starts at index 0 or 1.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations and approaches being explored. Some participants have provided arguments supporting the properties of the sequence, while others are questioning the assumptions and definitions involved.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the indexing of the sequence and whether the initial term ##a_0## should be included in the sequence itself. This may affect the interpretation of the problem.

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Homework Statement


Let ##x,y## be positive numbers. Let ##a_0 = y## and let ##a_n = \frac{(x/a_{n-1})+a_{n-1}}{2}##. Prove that ##(a_n)## is a decreasing sequence with limit ##\sqrt{x}##.

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I'm confused about the initial condition being an arbitrary positive real number. This is because it says to prove that ##(a_n)## is a decreasing sequence, but what if ##0<y< \sqrt{x}##? Then ##(a_n)## can't be decreasing...
 
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You are right.
It should be a "converging" sequence.
Or perhaps they should exempt ##a_0## from the sequence.
 
What you can show is ##a_n \ge \sqrt x## for ##n\ge 1## regardless whether or not ##a_0 = y < \sqrt x##, and that ##a_{n+1}\le a_n## for ##n\ge 1##.
 
LCKurtz said:
What you can show is ##a_n \ge \sqrt x## for ##n\ge 1## regardless whether or not ##a_0 = y < \sqrt x##, and that ##a_{n+1}\le a_n## for ##n\ge 1##.
Here is my argument:

(1) WTS: ##\forall n \ge 1##, ##a_n \ge \sqrt{x}##.

Note that it is true that ##(x - y^2)^2 \ge 0##. This implies that ##x^2-2xy^2+y^4 \ge 0 \implies x^2 + y^4 \ge 2y^2x \implies x+y^2 \ge 2y\sqrt{x} \implies \frac{\frac{x}{y} + y}{2} \ge \sqrt{x} \implies a_1 \ge \sqrt{x}##. So the base case is satisfied. Now, suppose that for some ##k \in \mathbb{N}## we have that ##a_k \ge \sqrt{x}##. Then ##a_{k+1} = \frac{\frac{x}{a_k} + a_k}{2} \ge \frac{\frac{x}{\sqrt{x}} + \sqrt{x}}{2} = \sqrt{x}##. This completes the induction.

(2) WTS: ##\forall n \ge 1##, ##a_n \ge a_{n+1}##. We see that ##a_{n+1} = \frac{\frac{x}{a_n}+a_n}{2} \le \frac{\frac{a^2_n}{a_n}+a_n}{2} = a_n##.

So we see that ##(a_n)## is bounded below and is decreasing, so by the MCT it has a limit, L. Then ##L = \frac{\frac{x}{L}+L}{2} \implies L = \sqrt{x}##.
 
Mr Davis 97 said:
Let ##a_0 = y##
What is the convention used by your text materials for the first index of a sequence? Is it 1? - or 0? - can it be either?

A nice legality could be that ##a_0## is defined as a member of a set, but it is not a member of the sequence if the text materials insist the first index of a sequence must be 1.
 

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