Prove: Limit Point of H ∪ K if p is Limit Point of H or K

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The discussion revolves around proving a property of limit points in the context of set theory, specifically regarding the union of two sets H and K. The original poster is exploring the implications of a point p being a limit point of the union H ∪ K and its relationship to being a limit point of the individual sets H or K.

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  • The original poster attempts to prove that if p is a limit point of H ∪ K, then p must also be a limit point of either H or K. They explore the case where p is not a limit point of H and consider the implications of this assumption.
  • Some participants question the validity of the original assumption and suggest considering the case where p is not a limit point of either H or K, proposing a proof by contraposition.
  • Others discuss the nature of open intervals in the context of real numbers and how intersections of these intervals with the sets H and K may lead to conclusions about the presence of limit points.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing guidance on the original poster's approach and suggesting alternative perspectives. There is a focus on clarifying the assumptions made and exploring the implications of those assumptions on the proof being constructed.

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Participants are working under the assumption that the discussion pertains to limit points within the real number system, as indicated by references to open intervals. The original poster's approach involves specific assumptions about the nature of the point p in relation to the sets H and K.

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Summary: Definition: If M is a set and p is a point, then p is a limit point of M if every open interval containing p contains a point of M different from p.
Prove: that if H and K are sets and p is a limit point of H ∪ K,then p is a limit point of H or p is a limit point of K

In this proof I have assumed that p is not a limit point of H and went on to state that there exists some open interval S that contains p s.t. no element of H (other than possibly p itself) is in S. Since p is limit point of HUK a member of HUK must exist in (a,b) that member being K.
I am currently trying to prove that p is a limit point of K by letting some open interval V be any open interval containing p so S and V intersect but I can not seem to elaborate on what I have.
 
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Open interval means you are working in ##\mathbb{R}##?

Every open interval is also an interval around p when you intersect with the (a,b) that you found. This new interval must contain either an element of H or K. Which is is, and what does that say about your original interval?
 
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Office_Shredder said:
Open interval means you are working in ##\mathbb{R}##?

Every open interval is also an interval around p when you intersect with the (a,b) that you found. This new interval must contain either an element of H or K. Which is is, and what does that say about your original interval?
So no element of H can exist in the new interval other than possibly p. Thus, K exists in (a,b) and (c,d) where every point of K in that intersection is not equal to p. Right?
 
Jaquis2345 said:
In this proof I have assumed that p is not a limit point of H
Why not assume that ##p## is not a limit point of ##H## and not a limit point of ##K##? Then, try to show that it's not a limit point of ##H \cup K##?

That's called a proof by contraposition.
 
The student seems to be trying a proof by "partial converse." That is, he's assuming p is a limit point of H U K but not of H; he then intends to show it must be a limit point of K. But if some neighborhood of p contains (besides p) no point of H, but must contain a point of H U K, does that neighborhood not have to contain a point of K? This post is prompted by the desire to use the student's original idea, since he is already trying to use it.
 
Maybe this approach will be helpful: If p is a limit point of ##A\cup B ## the every open ##O_p## set/'hood containing p will intersect ##A \cup B##. The latter is the collection of points contained in ##A,B## or both.
Then if ##O_p## intersects neither of ##A,B##...
 

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