Prove that a^(1/n) is an integer or is irrational

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The discussion revolves around proving that a^(1/n), where a and n are positive integers, is either an integer or irrational. Initial attempts at proof suggested that if a^(1/n) can be expressed as a fraction x/y, it leads to contradictions when y does not divide x, indicating that a^(1/n) must be irrational in such cases. The participants clarify that the contradiction arises specifically from the assumption that y does not divide x, reinforcing that irrational numbers cannot be expressed in this form. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding the relationship between rational and irrational numbers in the context of roots. Ultimately, the proof successfully demonstrates both possibilities: that a^(1/n) is either an integer or irrational.
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Homework Statement


Let a and n be positive integers. Prove that a^(1/n) is either an integer or is irrational.

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The Attempt at a Solution


Proof:
If a^(1/n) = x/y where y divides x, then we have an integer.
If a^(1/n) = x/y where y does not divide x, then
a = (a^(1/n))^n = x^n/y^n is NOT an integer since y^n does not divide x^n. However, this is a contradiction as we declared a to be a positive integer.
Thus, a^(1/n) must be an integer.

However, is neglecting the important part of irrationality.
In my proof, I have convinced myself that a^(1/n) is an integer. But this is obviously not true as 4^(1/3) is irrational.
Where did I go wrong?

Perhaps there is another case?
 
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RJLiberator said:

Homework Statement


Let a and n be positive integers. Prove that a^(1/n) is either an integer or is irrational.

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


Proof:
If a^(1/n) = x/y where y divides x, then we have an integer.
If a^(1/n) = x/y where y does not divide x, then
a = (a^(1/n))^n = x^n/y^n is NOT an integer since y^n does not divide x^n. However, this is a contradiction as we declared a to be a positive integer.
Thus, a^(1/n) must be an integer.

However, is neglecting the important part of irrationality.
In my proof, I have convinced myself that a^(1/n) is an integer. But this is obviously not true as 4^(1/3) is irrational.
Where did I go wrong?

Perhaps there is another case?
Looks ok until :"Thus, a^(1/n) must be an integer." Look more carefully at which hypothesis led to a contradiction.
 
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So the hypothesis that led to the contradiction is "if a^(1/n) = x/y where y does not divide x"

This seems to imply that y does divide x. But the first if statement shows that If a^(1/n) = x/y where y divides x, then we have an integer.

Perhaps you are telling me that If a^(1/n) = x/y where y does not divide x, then we have an irrational number.
Is that the connection that I was missing?
 
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So the hypothesis that led to the contradiction is "if a^(1/n) = x/y where y does not divide x"

This seems to imply that y does divide x. But the first if statement shows that If a^(1/n) = x/y where y divides x, then we have an integer.

Perhaps you are telling me that If a^(1/n) = x/y where y does not divide x, then we have an irrational number.
Is that the connection that I was missing?
Correct, a^(1/n) = x/y where y does not divide x leads to a contradiction.

Which kind of real numbers can not be expressed as x/y where y does not divide x? (Although you didn't state it explicitly, I assume that x and y are integers.)
 
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Which kind of real numbers can not be expressed as x/y where y does not divide x?
Irrational numbers!

Proof:
If a^(1/n) = x/y where y divides x, then we have an integer.
If a^(1/n) = x/y where y does not divide x, then
a = (a^(1/n))^n = x^n/y^n is NOT an integer since y^n does not divide x^n. However, this is a contradiction as we declared a to be a positive integer.
And so a^(1/n) cannot be expressed as a rational number or an integer, therefore it is irrational.
end.

So we have covered both possibilities and showed the routes to an integer and to an irrational number.
 
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Hi again, RJ:If you want to generalize this, you can use the proof of the irrationality of ## \sqrt 2 ## to show that the n-th root of ##p/q## is rational only if ##p/q =a^{nj}/b^{nk} ## for integers ## a,b,n,j,k ##. Or it is just a good result to know, to keep handy, even without a proof.
 
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Yes, We went over that proof in class prior to this homework question. I also noticed it elsewhere on the web when I checked in with this problem.

Seems like a highly popular proof to know.
 
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Yes, We went over that proof in class prior to this homework question. I also noticed it elsewhere on the web when I checked in with this problem.

Seems like a highly popular proof to know.
Yes, I see it as a fun combo of number theory and Calculus/Analysis, which one may believe at first have little overlap.
 
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