Prove that a relation is a function

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The problem involves proving that a specific relation S, defined with elements from the real numbers and integers, is a function. The relation requires that for every real number a, there exists at most one pair (b, c) such that (a, (b, c)) is an element of S, with b being an integer and c being non-negative.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the implications of the definitions of the relation and explore different approaches to demonstrate that the relation meets the criteria of a function. They consider the conditions under which (b, c) and (d, e) must be equal and examine the constraints on c and e based on their defined intervals.

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Some participants have provided insights and guidance on the reasoning process, particularly regarding the implications of the intervals for c and e. Multiple interpretations of the proof structure are being explored, with participants questioning the assumptions and the relationships between the variables involved.

Contextual Notes

There is an ongoing discussion about the implications of the values of c and e being within the interval [0, 1) and how this affects the integer nature of b and d. Participants are also considering the implications of the relationship between c-e and the integers involved.

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Homework Statement


Let S ={(a,(b,c)) element R x (Z x [0,1)) : a = b + c}
where R is the real numbers, Z is the integers, and [0,) is the interval from 0 to one.

Prove that S is a function (that is, for every a element of R there exist at most one (b,c) so that (a,(b,c)) is an element of S. Note, then, that b is an integer and c is non-negative)


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Let (a,(b,c)) and (a,(d,e)) be elements of S. If S is a function, then (b,c)=(d,e)

(a,(b,c)) is an element of S iff a = b + c; i.e. a-b = c > 0
(a,(d,e)) is an element of S iff a = d + e; i.e. a-d = e > 0
Since b and d are integers, a - b and a - d have the same digits following the decimal. Since c and e cannot be greater than or equal to one, they must account for all of the "decimal portion" of a-b or a-d respectively.

Another approach: b-d+c-e = 0
in which case I'd have to prove that b=d and c=e, but I'm not sure how.
 
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Your first approach shows you have the right idea about what the function must be but let's try the second. If c and e are in [0,1), what interval must c-e belong to? Now b-d must be an integer. How many integers are in that interval?
 
c-e must be in the interval [0,1) and b-d is an integer.

Since b-d (an integer) added to a value c-e on the interval [0,1) gives zero, then c-e must = 0 (since no integer plus (0,1) gives zero). Since b-d = 0, b=d.

I think that's it. Thank you!
 
Heute said:
c-e must be in the interval [0,1) and b-d is an integer.

Since b-d (an integer) added to a value c-e on the interval [0,1) gives zero, then c-e must = 0 (since no integer plus (0,1) gives zero). Since b-d = 0, b=d.

I think that's it. Thank you!

It don't think that's quite it. If all you know is that c and e are in [0,1), I would say c-e must be in (-1,1). Can you show that?
 
Ah yes. I see how that works; c could be zero and e could be slightly less than one. But that doesn't change the form of the proof does it? c-e is still a decimal value or zero.
 
Heute said:
Ah yes. I see how that works; c could be zero and e could be slightly less than one. But that doesn't change the form of the proof does it? c-e is still a decimal value or zero.

Right. d-b=c-e and d-b must be an integer. The only integer in (-1,1) is 0.
 

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