Prove that any function z = f(x + y) solves the equation z'x - z'y = 0

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The discussion revolves around proving that any function of the form z = f(x + y) satisfies the equation z'_x - z'_y = 0. Participants are exploring the implications of this statement and examining specific examples and counterexamples.

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  • Some participants attempt to disprove the statement by providing counterexamples, while others clarify the conditions under which the statement holds true. There is also discussion about the notation for partial derivatives and the assumptions regarding the differentiability of the function.

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The discussion is active, with participants questioning the validity of counterexamples and clarifying the requirements for the original statement. There is recognition of the need for differentiability in the functions being considered, and some participants express understanding of the concepts being discussed.

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There are mentions of missing assumptions regarding the existence of partial derivatives and the context in which the problem is posed, suggesting that functions are typically assumed to be smooth in certain mathematical contexts.

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Homework Statement
Prove that all functions $$z = f(x + y) $$
solves the equation $$z'_x - z'_y = 0$$
Relevant Equations
$$z = f(x + y) $$
$$z'_x - z'_y = 0$$
How about I prove that to be false instead?
$$z = x$$
$$z'_x(x + y) = 1$$
$$z'_y(x + y) = 0$$
$$z'_x - z'_y = 1$$
 
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Addez123 said:
Homework Statement:: Prove that all functions $$z = f(x + y) $$
solves the equation $$z'_x - z'_y = 0$$
Homework Equations:: $$z = f(x + y) $$
$$z'_x - z'_y = 0$$

How about I prove that to be false instead?
$$z = x$$
$$z'_x(x + y) = 1$$
$$z'_y(x + y) = 0$$
$$z'_x - z'_y = 1$$
Incorrect. Your ##z## is not a function of ##x+y##, it is just a function of ##x##.

For ##f(t) = t##, you would obtain
$$z = f(x+y)= x+y$$
The statement is trivially true for this choice of ##f##.
 
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Addez123 said:
Homework Statement:: Prove that all functions $$z = f(x + y) $$
solves the equation $$z'_x - z'_y = 0$$
Homework Equations:: $$z = f(x + y) $$
$$z'_x - z'_y = 0$$
Presumably these are partial derivatives. Primes usually aren't used for partial derivatives.
Instead, you could use ##z_x## to denote the partial of z with respect to x, or ##\frac{\partial z}{\partial x}##.
Similar for ##z_y##.
Addez123 said:
How about I prove that to be false instead?
Why?
Addez123 said:
$$z = x$$
?
It's given that z is some function of x + y, not just x.
Addez123 said:
$$z'_x(x + y) = 1$$
$$z'_y(x + y) = 0$$
$$z'_x - z'_y = 1$$
I have no idea what you're doing in the three lines above.

You could let ##u = x + y##, meaning that u is a function of x and y, and z = f(u). What is ##\frac{\partial z}{\partial x}##? Think about the chain rule for partial derivatives.
 
Mark44 said:
Presumably these are partial derivatives. Primes usually aren't used for partial derivatives.
It is actually more common than you might think. I have seen it in at least one textbook. However, I agree that ##z_x## is neater and easier on the eyes ...
 
The question is missing the assumption that the partial derivatives must exist.
 
Math_QED said:
The question is missing the assumption that the partial derivatives must exist.
Technically yes (although stating that ##f## is a differentiable function seems more in line with the problem). However, the context where the question was asked is important. If the question has been asked in the context of something like a mathematical methods for physics/engineering/etc, then typically functions are implicitly assumed to be smooth.
 
The way I read it is: any function into which I input (x+y) will solve the equation.
Which isn't true obviously but how should I read it?
 
Addez123 said:
The way I read it is: any function into which I input (x+y) will solve the equation.
Which isn't true obviously but how should I read it?
It is true (with the addition that the function needs to be differentiable). Your counter example does not satisfy the premise that it is a function into which you have put ##x+y## as the argument.
 
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Orodruin said:
It is true (with the addition that the function needs to be differentiable). Your counter example does not satisfy the premise that it is a function into which you have put ##x+y## as the argument.
Ah yes! That DOES make sense!
Thanks :p
 

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