Prove that if X is countable and a is in X then X \{a} is countable.

  • Thread starter Thread starter math25
  • Start date Start date
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The problem involves proving that if X is a countable set and a is an element of X, then the set X \ {a} is also countable. The discussion revolves around concepts of countability and subsets within set theory.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore various methods to demonstrate the countability of the set X \ {a}, including references to subsets of natural numbers and one-to-one functions. Some participants question the assumptions made about the nature of the set X.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with several participants offering different perspectives and approaches. There is a mix of attempts to clarify definitions and reasoning about countability, but no explicit consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the importance of understanding the definitions of countable sets and the implications of subsets, while others highlight potential assumptions about the nature of the set X that may not be justified.

math25
Messages
24
Reaction score
0
Hi,

Can someone please help me with this problem.
Prove that if X is countable and a is in X then X \{a} is countable.

this is what I have so far, and I am not sure if its correct:

Every non-empty set of natural numbers has a least number. Since X is not a finite set, X must be an infinite set and thus X is nonempty in N. Suppose a in X is the least element. Now consider X\{a} Since X is infinite, X\{a} is an infinite subset of N. Then there is a least element a2 in X\{a}...

thanks
 
Physics news on Phys.org
I would go about it this way: If X is countable, then there exists a subset of the natural numbers, say S, such that the cardinality of set S, call it r, is equal to the cardinality of set X. The set {a} has a cardinality of 1, so the cardinality of X\{a} is equal to r - 1 = n (some natural number, since we know X is nonempty). Then there exists a set S' such that its cardinality is equal to n, and therefore we have that X\{a} is countable.

Perhaps I have left out some important information; I am not as smart as some of the people on here. I am only trying to help. Hopefully someone can support or refute my ideas here.
 
A subset of countable set is countable. Since
[tex]X\setminus\{a\}\subseteq X[/tex]

we have that [itex]X\setminus\{a\}[/itex] is countable. So try proving first that any subset of a countable set is countable
 
so,is this correct

let x be countable set and x\{a} is subset of X

if x\{a} is finite it is countable

assume it is infinite then the function f : x|{a} ----> x defined by f(x0=x is 1-1 therefore x\{a} is countable


Also, can someone help me to prove or give a counter example is sum ai and sum bi are convergent series with non-negative terms then sum aibi converges
 
Let A be a subset of a countable set B. By the definition of a countable set, there exists a one-to-one function f : B→N. Now restrict the domain of f to A to give a new function
g : A→N. g is one-to-one too because f is. So g is a one-to-one function that maps A into N. Thus A is countable

and start new thread for new problem
 
thank you
 
math25 said:
Hi,

Can someone please help me with this problem.
Prove that if X is countable and a is in X then X \{a} is countable.

this is what I have so far, and I am not sure if its correct:

Every non-empty set of natural numbers has a least number. Since X is not a finite set, X must be an infinite set and thus X is nonempty in N. Suppose a in X is the least element. Now consider X\{a} Since X is infinite, X\{a} is an infinite subset of N. Then there is a least element a2 in X\{a}...

thanks
You are assuming that X is a subset of N and that is not given. All you are given is that X is countable- the set of all integers is countable, the set of all rational numbers is countable, ... Of course, if X is countable, there exist a one-to-one correspondence between X and the natural numbers.
 

Similar threads

Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
4K
  • · Replies 18 ·
Replies
18
Views
4K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 25 ·
Replies
25
Views
3K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
Replies
20
Views
5K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K