Prove that integral is convergent

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The discussion revolves around proving the convergence of the integral of the function xα (ln x)β from 0 to 0.5, under the condition that α is greater than -1. Participants are exploring the behavior of the integral as x approaches 0.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss various methods to analyze the integral, including substitutions and integration by parts. There is an emphasis on understanding the behavior of ln x near zero and identifying bounds for convergence.

Discussion Status

Some participants have suggested substitutions to simplify the integral, while others are questioning the validity of their approaches. There is ongoing exploration of specific cases, such as setting β to 1, to illustrate the convergence condition. No consensus has been reached on a definitive method or conclusion.

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Participants note the challenge of working with ln x as x approaches 0 and the implications of the condition α > -1 on the convergence of the integral. There are references to previous discussions and attempts that have not yielded a clear path forward.

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Homework Statement



i need to know the integral of x^alpha times (lnx)^ beta from 0 to 0.5
the question is if alpha greater than -1 prove that integral convergent

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So what did you try?
 


I don't think you'll be able to actually do that integral in closed form, but you can identify when it exists. You'll need to find a bound for log(x) as x approaches 0.
 


i don't want to know what is the answer , i just want to prove how does it converge at zero
 


i tried all methods
 


Try a substitution first to get rid of the logarithm.
 


i tried the neighbourhood at zero since the problem is at zero , but i don't think lnx has a neighbourhood at zero , so i tried change by varibale x= e^t but still didnt work
then i tried integration by parts , and that was a disaster I am stuck
and last i tried the theory which says that if you mulitply by x ^m where m is less than 1 and you reach the limit zero you will have a convergent integral but that only works with real numbers not variables so what do you think i should do? please make sure
 


i tried
 


So, what did you get?
 
  • #10


i told you in the other thread its the same question they told me to write where i told you
 
  • #11


What did you get after the substitution x=et?
 
  • #12


man it becomes from -infinte to zero et ^a times x ^beta but still nothing i cnt go anywhere with that
 
  • #13


So you get

[tex]\int_{-\infty}^0{e^{\alpha+1}t^\beta dt}[/tex]

right?

Now, apply partial integration to reduce the value of beta (i.e. to make beta negative)
 
  • #14


and what do i get please can you solve it i was trying all day please
 
  • #15


elabed haidar said:
and what do i get please can you solve it i was trying all day please

I'm sorry, that would be against the rules. I'm afraid you will have to solve it.

Alternatively, do you know the following test:

If [itex]\int_{-\infty}^0{g}[/itex] converges and [itex]\lim_{x\rightarrow-\infty}{\frac{f}{g}}=0[/itex], then [itex]\int_{-\infty}^0{f}[/itex] converges as well.

Applying this with an appropriate g could also give you the solution.
 
  • #16


To summarize everything so far (there have been a few errors), the original integral is

[tex]\int_0^{0.5} x^\alpha (\ln{x})^\beta dx[/tex]

Micromass suggested the substitution x = et, which leads to

[tex]\int_{-\infty}^{-\ln{2}} e^{t(\alpha + 1)} t^{\beta} dt[/tex]

Note that the upper limit is -ln(2) = ln(0.5), not 0.

From here, try parts with u = tβ. The following may help:

[tex]\int_a^b u dv = vu \; \big|_a^b - \int_a^b v du[/tex]

Specifically, for what values of [itex]\alpha[/itex] and [itex]\beta[/itex] will [itex]vu \; \big|_a^b[/itex] converge?
 
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Why not try looking at certain values of [itex]\beta[/itex], say for example [itex]\beta =1[/itex], then your integral becomes:
[tex] \int_{0}^{\frac{1}{2}}x^{\alpha}\ln xdx=\int_{-\infty}^{-\ln 2}ye^{(\alpha +1)y}dy[/tex]
upon using the substitution [itex]y=\ln x[/itex]. Now note that the interval of integration is over a negative region which means that [itex]\alpha +1>0[/itex] and so [itex]\alpha >-1[/itex], which is what we were trying to show in the first place. Can you now show this for general [itex]\beta[/itex]?
 

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