Prove that ##\lambda## or ##-\lambda## is an eigenvalue for ##T##.

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The discussion centers on proving that if the operator ##T: V \to V## has the property that ##T^2## has a non-negative eigenvalue ##\lambda^2##, then either ##\lambda## or ##-\lambda## must be an eigenvalue of ##T##. The proof involves using the equation ##(T^2 - \lambda^2I)(x) = 0##, which leads to the factorization ##(T + \lambda I)(T - \lambda I)(x) = 0##. The participants clarify that the eigenvector associated with ##T^2## does not necessarily correspond to the eigenvector of ##T##, emphasizing the need to explore different cases for ##T(x)##.

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Homework Statement
If ##T: V \to V## has the property that ##T^2## has a non-negative eigenvalue ##\lambda^2## , prove that at least one
of ##\lambda## or ##-\lambda## is an eigenvalue for T. [Hint: ##T^2 - \lambda^2 = (T + \lambda I)(T - \lambda I)## .]
Relevant Equations
##T(x)= \lambda x##
The statement " If ##T: V \to V## has the property that ##T^2## has a non-negative eigenvalue ##\lambda^2##", means that there exists an ##x## in ##V## such that ## T^2 (x) = \lambda^2 x##.

If ##T(x) = \mu x##, we've have
$$
T [T(x)]= T ( \mu x)$$
$$
T^2 (x) = \mu^2 x$$
$$
\lambda ^2 = \mu ^2 \implies \mu = \lambda ~or~ -\lambda$$.

Is my solution correct? The only thing which is quite not very well is that I assumed that there exists an eigenvalue ##\mu## and an eigenvector ##x## in ##T##.

What the hint in the question wants me to do?
 
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Hall said:
Homework Statement:: If ##T: V \to V## has the property that ##T^2## has a non-negative eigenvalue ##\lambda^2## , prove that at least one
of ##\lambda## or ##-\lambda## is an eigenvalue for T. [Hint: ##T^2 - \lambda^2 = (T + \lambda I)(T - \lambda I)## .]
Relevant Equations:: ##T(x)= \lambda x##

The statement " If ##T: V \to V## has the property that ##T^2## has a non-negative eigenvalue ##\lambda^2##", means that there exists an ##x## in ##V## such that ## T^2 (x) = \lambda^2 x##.

If ##T(x) = \mu x##, we've have
$$
T [T(x)]= T ( \mu x)$$
$$
T^2 (x) = \mu^2 x$$
$$
\lambda ^2 = \mu ^2 \implies \mu = \lambda ~or~ -\lambda$$.

Is my solution correct?
No.
Hall said:
The only thing which is quite not very well is that I assumed that there exists an eigenvalue ##\mu## and an eigenvector ##x## in ##T##.
You assumed that the eigenvector ##x## to the eigenvalue ##\mu## is the same vector as the eigenvector to the eigenvalue ##\lambda^2## of ##T^2.## I do not see that this is necessarily true. And what if ##T## hasn't any real eigenvalues at all?

Hall said:
What the hint in the question wants me to do?
You started correctly: There is a vector ##x\neq 0## such that ##T^2(x)=\lambda^2 x.##

Now use the hint: ##(T^2-\lambda^2I)(x)=(T+\lambda )(T-\lambda )(x)= (T-\lambda )(T+\lambda )(x)=0##
and consider the case ##T(x)\neq \pm \lambda x## since otherwise we are done.

Can you find an eigenvector to ##\lambda ## or ##-\lambda ## anyway?
 
A good habit to avoid mistakes like this is by the notation: Always note dependences by indices or similar.

Example 1 (epsilontic):

For all ##\varepsilon >0## exists an ##N## such that ##|a_n-L|<\varepsilon ## for all ##n>N##.

should actually be

For all ##\varepsilon >0## exists an ##N(\varepsilon )## such that ##|a_n-L|<\varepsilon ## for all ##n>N(\varepsilon )##.

Example 2 (eigenvectors):

Assume ##x## is an eigenvector of ##T^2## to the eigenvalue ##\lambda^2,## i.e. ##T^2(x)=\lambda^2x.##

should actually be

Assume ##x_{\nu}## is an eigenvector of ##T^2## to the eigenvalue ##\nu:=\lambda^2,## i.e. ##T^2(x_{\nu})=\nu x_{\nu}=\lambda^2x_{\nu}.##
 
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I think a nice example (not quite right since the question is assuming real numbers) here is a rotation matrix in 2 dimension ##T(x,y)=(-y,x)##. ##T^2## is negative the identity so every vector is an eigenvector. But the eigenvector of ##T## is not obvious. It turns out ##-i## is an eigenvalue in ##\mathbb{C}^2##
 
Hmmm, I can't solve this unless it is given that ##ker(T)=\{0_V\}##.
 
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fresh_42 said:
No.

You assumed that the eigenvector ##x## to the eigenvalue ##\mu## is the same vector as the eigenvector to the eigenvalue ##\lambda^2## of ##T^2.## I do not see that this is necessarily true. And what if ##T## hasn't any real eigenvalues at all?You started correctly: There is a vector ##x\neq 0## such that ##T^2(x)=\lambda^2 x.##

Now use the hint: ##(T^2-\lambda^2I)(x)=(T+\lambda )(T-\lambda )(x)= (T-\lambda )(T+\lambda )(x)=0##
and consider the case ##T(x)\neq \pm \lambda x## since otherwise we are done.

Can you find an eigenvector to ##\lambda ## or ##-\lambda ## anyway?
##
[T^2 - (\lambda I)^2] (x) = (T+ \lambda I) (T- \lambda I) (x) ##
##
T^2 (x) - \lambda^2 I(x) = (T + \lambda I) [T(x) - \lambda I(x)] ##
##
\lambda^2 x - \lambda ^2 x = (T +\lambda I) (T(x) - \lambda x)##
##
(T +\lambda I) (T(x) - \lambda x) = 0##
But without being given that ##(T + \lambda I)## is one-to-one, we cannot equate thus
##
T(x) - \lambda x = 0##
## T(x) = \lambda x##

(Changing the order in the very first equation to ##(T- \lambda I) (T+ \lambda I)## would give us ##T(x) = -\lambda x ##).
 
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##
[T^2 - (\lambda I)^2] (x) = (T+ \lambda I) (T- \lambda I) (x) ##
##
T^2 (x) - \lambda^2 I(x) = (T + \lambda I) [T(x) - \lambda I(x)] ##
##
\lambda^2 x - \lambda ^2 x = (T +\lambda I) (T(x) - \lambda x)##
##
(T +\lambda I) (T(x) - \lambda x) = 0##
But without being given that ##(T + \lambda I)## is one-to-one, we cannot equate thus
##
T(x) - \lambda x = 0##
## T(x) = \lambda x##

(Changing the order in the very first equation to ##(T- \lambda I) (T+ \lambda I)## would give us ##T(x) = -\lambda x ##).
Step by step. You are right, you cannot equate this.

We have ##(T-\lambda I)(T+\lambda I)(x)=0## and ##T(x)\neq -\lambda x.## (The other case is according.)
We need a vector ##v## such that ##Tv=\lambda v## and ##v\neq 0.##

Can you see what ##v## is? It is already written there!
 
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I think me and @Hall did same mistake, we expected the ##v## of post #7 to be equal to the eigenvector ##x## of ##T^2##, but ##v## can be different (can be the same though, it depends if ##T## is 1-1 it is the same ).
 
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fresh_42 said:
Step by step. You are right, you cannot equate this.

We have ##(T-\lambda I)(T+\lambda I)(x)=0## and ##T(x)\neq -\lambda x.## (The other case is according.)
We need a vector ##v## such that ##Tv=\lambda v## and ##v\neq 0.##

Can you see what ##v## is? It is already written there!
##(T-\lambda I)(T+\lambda I)(x)=0##
$$T [ (T+ \lambda I) (x) ] - \lambda I [(T+ \lambda I)(x) ]= 0$$
##T [ (T+ \lambda I) (x) ] - \lambda [(T+ \lambda I)(x) ]= 0##
$$
T [ (T+ \lambda I) (x) ] = \lambda [(T+ \lambda I)(x) ]$$

Eigenvector = ##(T+ \lambda I) (x)##, Eigenvalue= ##\lambda##.
(We must state that ##T(x) \neq -\lambda x##, else the eigenvector will be zero, which we don't want).
The second case:
$$
T^2 - (\lambda I)^2 = (T + \lambda I)(T- \lambda I) $$
##
[T^2 - (\lambda I)^2](x) =[ (T +\lambda I)(T- \lambda I)] (x)##
##
0 = T [ (T- \lambda I) (x)] + \lambda I [(T- \lambda I) (x)]##
##T [ (T- \lambda I) (x)] = - \lambda [(T- \lambda I) (x)]##

Eigenvector = ## (T- \lambda I)(x)##, Eigenvalue = ##-\lambda##.
(with the condition that ## T(x) \neq \lambda x##)
 
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Hall said:
##(T-\lambda I)(T+\lambda I)(x)=0##
$$T [ (T+ \lambda I) (x) ] - \lambda I [(T+ \lambda I)(x) ]= 0$$
##T [ (T+ \lambda I) (x) ] - \lambda [(T+ \lambda I)(x) ]= 0##
$$
T [ (T+ \lambda I) (x) ] = \lambda [(T+ \lambda I)(x) ]$$

Eigenvector = ##(T+ \lambda I) (x)##, Eigenvalue= ##\lambda##.
(We must state that ##T(x) \neq -\lambda x##, else the eigenvector will be zero, which we don't want).
The second case:
$$
T^2 - (\lambda I)^2 = (T + \lambda I)(T- \lambda I) $$
##
[T^2 - (\lambda I)^2](x) =[ (T +\lambda I)(T- \lambda I)] (x)##
##
0 = T [ (T- \lambda I) (x)] + \lambda I [(T- \lambda I) (x)]##
##T [ (T- \lambda I) (x)] = - \lambda [(T- \lambda I) (x)]##

Eigenvector = ## (T- \lambda I)(x)##, Eigenvalue = ##-\lambda##.
(with the condition that ## T(x) \neq \lambda x##)
Looks good. Now you only have to gather all possible cases: ##Tx=\lambda x\, , \,Tx=-\lambda x\, , \,Tx\neq \lambda x\, , \,Tx\neq -\lambda x## or reason with symmetry.
 
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fresh_42 said:
Looks good. Now you only have to gather all possible cases: ##Tx=\lambda x\, , \,Tx=-\lambda x\, , \,Tx\neq \lambda x\, , \,Tx\neq -\lambda x## or reason with symmetry.
Okay, we can do that. But why do we need to look at only those cases? If we're not done in Post #9, then we can consider many cases for ##T(x)##.
 
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Hall said:
Okay, we can do that. But why do we need to look at only those cases? If we're not done in Post #9, then we can consider many cases for ##T(x)##.
These are all possible cases. If ##Tx=\pm\lambda x## then we are done. And ##Tx\neq\pm\lambda x## is what you did in post #9. You mentioned yourself that we need the vector to be different from zero. So the case if it is zero is left. It is only an especially easy case.
 
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