Prove that quaternions are associative

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The discussion centers around proving that quaternions are associative, specifically the property that (qr)s = q(rs) for quaternions q, r, and s. The original poster expresses a desire for a simpler proof method than their current tedious approach.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the challenges of proving associativity, with one noting the tedious nature of such proofs. Others suggest alternative perspectives, such as representing quaternions as matrices or starting with specific basis quaternions to demonstrate the property.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various approaches being explored. Some participants question the necessity of a simpler proof, while others propose different methods to establish associativity. There is no explicit consensus on a single approach yet.

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Participants mention the difficulty of the proof and the potential for alternative representations, such as matrix forms, to simplify the process. The original poster's concern about the length and complexity of their work is noted.

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Homework Statement


prove that quaternions are associative. ie (qr)s = q(rs), where q,r,s are quaternions

This isn't really a HW problem since I'm just wondering if there's a simpler way to prove associativity than the method I tried below


Homework Equations


i^2 = j^2 = k^2 = -1
ij=k=-ji
jk=i=-kj
ki=j=-ik
q=(a,b,c,d), r=(e,f,g,h), s=(l,m,n,p)



The Attempt at a Solution



Its not so much I don't know how to do the problem as it is that my work is tedious and will take forever, unless there's a simpler method

heres my work:
qr = (a,b,c,d)(e,f,g,h) = ae + af*i^2 + ag *ij + ah*k + be*i + bf*i^2 + bg*ij + bh*ik + ce*j + cf*ji + cg *j^2 + ch*jk + de*k + df*k + dg*jk + dh*k^2 = (ae-bf-cg-dh, af+be+ch-dg, ag-bh+ce+df, ah+bg=cf+de)

(qr)s = (ae-bf-cg-dh, af+be+ch-dg, ag-bh+ce+df, ah+bg=cf+de)(l,m,n,p) =
(lae-lbf-lcg-ldh-maf-mbe-mch+mdg-nag+nbh-nce-ndf-pah-pbg+pcf-pde, ...)
I got too tired to work out the i,j,k components

there's got to be a simpler way to prove associativity
 
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There may be but there doesn't have to be. "Associativity" is always the most tedious property to prove! You are going to have to learn not to get so tired so quickly.
 
it took me a FULL page to prove (qr)s =q(rs)
 
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If one were to show quaternions could be represented as a matrix and the product defined as standard matrix multiplication, would associativity follow as a consequence of the fact that a matrix represents a linear transformation and the matrix product is functional compostion?
 
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If you start with an associative algebra and then modding out by some relations... then the result is automatically an associative algebra.
 
You can first prove the associativity for any triple of 4 basis quaternions 1,i,j,k, and then check that the same property holds for any real linear combination of them.

Eugene.
 

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