Prove that y(x) has finitely many positive zero

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The problem involves a second-order linear differential equation given by $$y''+e^{-x}y=0$$ and requires showing that any nontrivial solution ##y(x)## has finitely many positive zeros. The discussion revolves around the application of Sturm's Comparison Theorem and the behavior of solutions to related differential equations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of Sturm's Comparison Theorem, considering the relationship between the functions involved. There is an exploration of the implications of assuming that ##y## has infinitely many positive zeros and how this leads to a contradiction. Some participants also question the role of the function ##z(x)## and its known solution in the context of the theorem.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on each other's reasoning and clarifying the roles of the functions in the theorem. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity introduced by the behavior of the sine function and its implications for the existence of zeros. No consensus has been reached, but there are productive exchanges regarding the application of the theorem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the need for a sufficiently large constant ##C## to satisfy the conditions of the theorem, as well as the potential need to split the analysis into different ranges of ##x##. There is also a discussion about the behavior of the sine function in relation to the problem's requirements.

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Homework Statement


Given $$y''+e^{-x}y=0. \qquad (*)$$ Let ##y(x)## be any nontrivial solution of ##(*)##, show that y has finitely many positive zeros.
Hint: Consider ##z''+\frac{C}{x^4}z=0## where ##C>0## is sufficiently large, which has a solution ##z(x)=x\sin \frac{\sqrt C}{x}##.

Homework Equations


1. (Sturm's Comparison Theorem)
Let y(x) and z(x) be nontrivial solutions of
$$y'' + q(x)y = 0$$
and
$$z'' + r(x)z = 0, $$
where q(x) and r(x) are positive functions such that q(x) > r(x). Then y(x) vanishes at least once between any two successive zeros of z(x).
2. Moreover, if there exists a constant ##m>0## such that ##q(x) \geq m^2## for all x, then y(x) has infinitely many zeros.

The Attempt at a Solution


My guess is ##C## must be big enough s.t ##\frac{C}{x^4}>e^{-x}##, so we can make use of the theorem. I also think that a proof by contradiction (i.e. suppose y has infinitely many positive zeros) may be useful, but don't know how to proceed further from here.
Could anyone shed some light on it please?
 
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Your attempt looks good so far.

"Then y(x) vanishes at least once between any two successive zeros of z(x). "

As you use q(x) > r(x), q(r) will be your C/x^4 and r(x) will be e^(-x).
Therefore, your contradiction starts with "assume ##z'' + r(x)z = 0## has infinitely many zeroes [...]"
And then use the known solution for the other case to get a contradiction.That is a nice theorem.
 
mfb said:
Your attempt looks good so far.

"Then y(x) vanishes at least once between any two successive zeros of z(x). "

As you use q(x) > r(x), q(r) will be your C/x^4 and r(x) will be e^(-x).
Therefore, your contradiction starts with "assume ##z'' + r(x)z = 0## has infinitely many zeroes [...]"
And then use the known solution for the other case to get a contradiction.


That is a nice theorem.
Right, but noting that y and z in the problem statement have reversed roles from the y and z in the theorem statement.
Also, it doesn't quite get you there because sin(1/x) has infinitely many positive zeroes. You might need to split the range of x into (0, ε) and [ε, ∞).
 
Thank you for the help, but doesn't sin(1/x) have infinitely many zeros in [ε, ∞)?
 
drawar said:
Thank you for the help, but doesn't sin(1/x) have infinitely many zeros in [ε, ∞)?
I don't think so. Can you find any in (1/π, ∞)?
 
Oh that's enlightening, thank you!
 

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