Prove this problem that involves Mathematical induction

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The discussion revolves around proving a statement using mathematical induction, specifically focusing on the expression \(5^n + 3\) and its divisibility by \(4\). Participants are exploring the validity of the induction base and the steps involved in the proof.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the initial step of the induction process, questioning whether the base case should start at \(n=0\) instead of \(n=1\). There are attempts to manipulate the expression using properties of modular arithmetic and ring homomorphisms. Some participants also express confusion regarding the results of certain calculations involving modular operations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with several participants providing insights and corrections regarding the induction process and modular arithmetic. There is no clear consensus yet, as participants are still clarifying their understanding of the mathematical principles involved.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the extent of guidance provided. There are also discussions about the assumptions made in the proof and the definitions of modular operations.

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Homework Statement
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Relevant Equations
Mathematical induction
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Ok, would i be correct to approach it this way,
Let ##n=1##. If ##n=1##, then ##5^1+3## is divisible by ##4##, the statement is true for ##n=1##.
Assume its true for ##n=k## ∀ ##kε\mathbb{z}^{+}.## Then ##5^k+3## is divisible by ##4.##
i.e ##5^k+3=4m## ∀ ##m ε\mathbb{z}^{+}##
Let ##n=k+1.## Then,
##5^{k+1} +3=5^{k+1} -5^k +5^k +3##
##=5^k(5-1)+5^k+3##
##=5^k(4)+5^k+3##
##=5^k(4)+m##
 
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chwala said:
Homework Statement:: See attached
Relevant Equations:: Mathematical induction

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Ok, would i be correct to approach it this way,
Let ##n=1##. If ##n=1##, then ##5^1+3## is divisible by ##4##, the statement is true for ##n=1##.
Assume its true for ##n=k## ∀ ##kε\mathbb{z}^{+}.## Then ##5^k+3## is divisible by ##4##
i.e ##5^k+3=4m## ∀ ##m ε\mathbb{z}^{+}##
Let ##n=k+1##
##5^{k+1} +3=5^{k+1} -5^k +5^k +3##
##=5^k(5-1)+5^k+3##
##=5^k(4)+5^k+3##
##=5^k(4)+m##
Looks good, except that the induction base should be ##n=0##.

And of course, it is easier to prove it by the fact that ##\mathbb{Z}\longrightarrow \mathbb{Z}/4\mathbb{Z}## given by ##n\longmapsto n \pmod 4## is a ring homomorphism, i.e. modulo respects addition and multiplication.
 
fresh_42 said:
Looks good, except that the induction base should be ##n=0##.

And of course, it is easier to prove it by the fact that ##\mathbb{Z}\longrightarrow \mathbb{Z}/4\mathbb{Z}## given by ##n\longmapsto n \pmod 4## is a ring homomorphism, i.e. modulo respects addition and multiplication.
For addition, i can see that ##1+4=4+1=1##
and multiplication, ##1⋅4=4⋅1=0##
 
chwala said:
For addition, i can see that ##1+4=4+1=1##
and multiplication, ##1⋅4=4⋅1=0##
It is ##(5^n+3) \pmod 4 = 5^n \pmod 4 +3 \pmod 4= (5 \pmod 4)^n+ 3\pmod 4= 1^n \pmod 4 +3 \pmod 4=0 \pmod 4.##
 
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fresh_42 said:
It is ##(5^n+3) \pmod 4 = 5^n \pmod 4 +3 \pmod 4= (5 \pmod 4)^n+ 3\pmod 4= 1^n \pmod 4 +3 \pmod 4=0 \pmod 4.##
Implying that for multiplication we shall end up with...

##1^n \pmod 4 ⋅3 \pmod 4=3⋅3=1 \pmod 4.##
 
chwala said:
Implying that for multiplication we shall end up with...

##1^n \pmod 4 ⋅3 \pmod 4=3⋅3=1 \pmod 4.##
No. ##1\cdot 1= 1##. Not ##3##.
 
fresh_42 said:
No. ##1\cdot 1= 1##. Not ##3##.
Sorry let me get this right,
##1^n \pmod 4=3##
##3 \pmod 4=3## Correct? and ##3⋅3## in##\mod 4=1##
 
chwala said:
Sorry let me get this right,
##1^n \pmod 4=3##
##3 \pmod 4=3## Correct? and ##3⋅3## in##\mod 4=1##
No.
\begin{align*}
1 \pmod 4 &= 1\\
1\cdot 1 \pmod 4 &= 1\\
1\cdot 1 \cdot 1 \pmod 4&=1\\
\ldots &\ldots \\
1^n \pmod 4 &=1
\end{align*}

Where do you get the three from?
$$
\underbrace{\underbrace{1^n\pmod 4}_{=1}+\underbrace{3\pmod 4}_{=3}}_{=4 \pmod 4 =0}
$$
 
fresh_42 said:
No.
\begin{align*}
1 \pmod 4 &= 1\\
1\cdot 1 \pmod 4 &= 1\\
1\cdot 1 \cdot 1 \pmod 4&=1\\
\ldots &\ldots \\
1^n \pmod 4 &=1
\end{align*}

Where do you get the three from?
$$
\underbrace{\underbrace{1^n\pmod 4}_{=1}+\underbrace{3\pmod 4}_{=3}}_{=4 \pmod 4 =0}
$$
True, i meant under 'multiplication' not 'addition modulo'
 

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