Prove ||x|-|y||≤|x-y|, where x and y are complex

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The discussion revolves around proving the inequality ||x| - |y|| ≤ |x - y| for complex numbers x and y. Participants explore the properties of complex magnitudes and their relationships.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to manipulate the left side of the inequality and considers using the triangle inequality. Some participants suggest using the expression |x| = |(x-y) + y| to facilitate the proof.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the problem with various approaches being discussed. Some participants question the correctness of initial steps and suggest proving two separate inequalities to establish the overall result. Additional questions about related topics have also been raised.

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Participants note the need to prove two inequalities to support the main claim, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the original problem statement. There is also mention of a time constraint related to another homework problem.

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Homework Statement



If x, y are complex, prove that

| |x| - |y| | ≤ |x - y|

Homework Equations



If x = a + ib, |x| = √(a2+b2)

|x + y| ≤ |x| + |y| (works for both complex and real numbers)

The Attempt at a Solution



Maybe start with the left side

| |x| - |y| | = | |x| + (-|y|) | ≤ |x| + |-|y|| = |x| + |y|

... Maybe almost there is I can show |x| + |y| ≤ |x - y| ...


How can I not get this problem?

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Use that

[tex]|x|=|(x-y)+y|[/tex]
 
micromass said:
Use that

[tex]|x|=|(x-y)+y|[/tex]

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Stay around here. I'm going to hit you up with another question later.
 
What you wrote down is incorrect. Specifically, the first inequality is wrong.

You need to prove two things:

[tex]|x|-|y|\leq |x-y|~\text{and}~|x|-|y|\geq -|x-y|[/tex]

These two together would imply your inequality.
 
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This is better :smile:
 
micromass said:
This is better :smile:

Think you could help me with the Schwartz equality problem? My homework is due in 1 hour and that's the only one I have left.
 
Jamin2112 said:
Think you could help me with the Schwartz equality problem? My homework is due in 1 hour and that's the only one I have left.

Well, what is the problem and what did you try?
 
micromass said:
Well, what is the problem and what did you try?

Figuring out under what condition equality holds in the Schwartz inequality. (I know the answer is when a and b are linearly independent)

I let aj = xj + iyj, bj = uj + ivj

and after some simplification came up with

∑(xj2+bj2)(uj2+vj2) = ∑(xj2+bj2)∑(uj2+vj2)

which somehow shows that a is a scalar multiple of b. Not sure how, though.
 

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