Prove y'' + exp(x)y'+y=0 has unique solution

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The discussion revolves around the differential equation y'' + exp(x)y' + y = 0 with initial conditions y(0) = 1 and y'(0) = 4. Participants are exploring the uniqueness of the solution to this initial value problem.

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  • Participants discuss theorems related to the uniqueness of solutions for differential equations, particularly focusing on the application of Gronwall's Inequality and the existence and uniqueness theorem. There are attempts to manipulate the equation and explore the implications of various substitutions.

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y''+exy'+y=0
y(0)=1
y('(0)=4
show the solution to this equation is unique


i tried to find the answer but iam stuck please help
 
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You must have theorems that will allow you conclude a differential equation has a unique solution. What are they?
 
We're going to compare two (possibly different) solutions of your initial value problem. Let [itex]y_1[/itex], [itex]y_2[/itex] be two solutions to your IVP. Then consider their difference [itex]f:=y_1-y_2[/itex]. Direct verification shows that [itex]f[/itex] is a solution to the ODE with initial conditions [itex]f(0)=0[/itex], [itex]f'(0)=0[/itex]. (check this)

However, by that same token, since [itex]f[/itex] satisfies the ODE, we can rearrange things and find [itex]f''(x)=-\exp(x)f'(x)-f(x)[/itex]. Try evaluating [itex]f''[/itex] at zero. What does this tell you about [itex]f[/itex]?
 
christoff this is the way that the professor start with but he wants to use Gronwall’s Inequality to prove f is identically zero i multiplay the equation by f' but i end up with this
f'' f' + exp(x) (f') ^2 + f f' =0
d/dx[ (f')^2/2 + (f)^2/2]=-exp(x) (f')^2
at this point i couldn't use Gronwall’s Inequality because it states:
d/dx[f]<=kf
f(x)<=f(0)exp(kx)
in the RHS i have exp(x) which is not a constant what i should do?
 
I'm not sure how you are supposed to use Gronwall's Identity to prove this. Your ODE is second order, and Gronwall's Identity only proves exponential boundedness of solutions of first-order equations. The problem isn't your exponential, your problem is that you have (f')^2/2+(f)^2/2 in the LHS, but you have (f')^2 in the RHS (these need to be equal, somehow).

You can reduce it to a first-order equation in two variables, but then the standard Gronwall's identity doesn't apply.
 
Alright so from what I see, we have [itex]\frac{d}{dx}(\frac{f'^{2}}{2}+\frac{f^{2}}{2})=-e^{x}f'^{2}[/itex]... unpleasant looking.. but i have an idea.
multiply the entire thing by [itex]2e^{x}[/itex]
Giving [itex]e^{x}\frac{d}{dx}(f'^{2}+f^{2})=-2e^{2x}f'^{2}[/itex]
And for notation purposes... call [itex]u(x)=f'(x)^{2}+f(x)^{2}[/itex]
then we have [itex]e^{x}u'(x)=-2e^{x}f'^{2}[/itex]
using [itex]\frac{d}{dx}(e^{x}u(x))=e^{x}u(x)+e^{x}u'(x)[/itex]
gives [itex]\frac{d}{dx}(e^{x}u(x))-e^{x}u(x)=-2e^{2x}f'^{2}[/itex]
implies
[itex]\frac{d}{dx}(e^{x}u(x))=e^{x}u(x)-2e^{2x}f'^{2}[/itex]
we know [itex]2e^{2x}f'^{2}≥0[/itex] so it follows
[itex]\frac{d}{dx}(e^{x}u(x))=e^{x}u(x)-2e^{2x}f'^{2}≤e^{x}u(x)[/itex]
Which I believe should allow you to use the inequality proposed?
since f(0)=0, and f'(0)=0 , u(0)=0 I think proceeding from there shouldn't be a problem
 
Brilliant solution, tt. That substitution really cleans things up a lot.
 
Yes, very nice solution but it is not really necessary to solve the differential equation. Instead, letting v= y', the second equation can be written [itex]v'= -y- e^xfv[/itex] and together with [itex]y'= v[/itex] we can write as the first order vector equation
[tex]\frac{d\begin{pmatrix}y \\ v\end{pmatrix}}{dx}= \begin{pmatrix}0 & 1\\ -1 & -e^x\end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix}y \\ v\end{pmatrix}[/tex]
That's a linear equation and the determinant of the coeffient matrix is 1, not 0, for all x and y and in particular in a neighborhood of (x, y)= (0, 4). Therefore, by the standard "existence and uniqueness" theorem for differential equations, there exist a unique solution.
 
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HallsofIvy said:
Yes, very nice solution but it is not really necessary to solve the differential equation. Instead, letting v= y', the second equation can be written [itex]v'= -y- e^xfv[/itex] and together with [itex]y'= v[/itex] we can write as the first order vector equation
[tex]\frac{d\begin{pmatrix}y \\ v\end{pmatrix}}{dx}= \begin{pmatrix}0 & 1\\ -1 & -e^x\end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix}y \\ v\end{pmatrix}[/tex]
That's a linear equation and the determinant of the coeffient matrix is 1, not 0, for all x and y and in particular in a neighborhood of (x, y)= (0, 4). Therefore, by the standard "existence and uniqueness" theorem for differential equations, there exist a unique solution.

very true! But what is f in [itex]v'=-y-e^{x}fv[/itex] ?
 
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thanks a lot tt2348 that's a very clever solution
 

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