Proving 0 < b < a for Given Equations in Intro to Analysis Book

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The problem involves proving the inequality 0 < b < a, given that 0 < a < 1 and b is defined as 1 - √(1 - a). This falls within the subject area of introductory analysis, specifically dealing with inequalities and properties of real numbers.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss substituting the expression for b into the inequality and explore various manipulations to establish the desired result. Some express uncertainty about the direction of their reasoning, while others suggest using hints provided in the problem statement.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing their attempts and seeking guidance. Some have offered insights into using proof by contradiction, while others express discomfort with this method. There is a recognition of the need for further exploration of the relationships between a and b.

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Participants mention the constraints of the problem, including the specific range for a and the implications of the hint provided in the textbook. There is also a noted preference among some participants for direct approaches over proofs by contradiction.

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Homework Statement


This is from Wade's Intro to Analysis book; problem 5, Chapter 1.

Prove that if [tex]0 < a < 1[/tex] and [tex]b = 1 - \sqrt{1 - a}[/tex] then [tex]0 < b < a[/tex]


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The book hints to use this result: [tex]0 < a < 1[/tex] implies [tex]0 < a^{2} < a[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


First I substitute b into the equation to get:
[tex]0 < 1 - \sqrt{1 - a} < a < 1[/tex]

By the additive property I add [tex]-1[/tex] and get:
[tex]-1 < -\sqrt{1 - a} < a - 1 < 0[/tex]

Using the multiplicative property I multiply by [tex]-1[/tex] and get:
[tex]0 < 1 - a < \sqrt{1 - a} < 1[/tex]

That above bears resemblance to the hint equation but I don't know exactly where to go (and my inkling of an idea doesn't seem to prove the initial statement).
 
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Hi iamalexalright! :smile:

(have a square-root: √ :wink:)
iamalexalright said:
Prove that if [tex]0 < a < 1[/tex] and [tex]b = 1 - \sqrt{1 - a}[/tex] then [tex]0 < b < a[/tex]

First I substitute b into the equation to get:
[tex]0 < 1 - \sqrt{1 - a} < a < 1[/tex]

But that's the answer!

Start with the question: b = 1 - √(1 - a).

Now use the hint. :wink:
 
hrm, and you'll have to forgive me but I am new at this :)

[tex]b = 1 - \sqrt{1 - a}[/tex]
[tex]b^{2} = 2 - 2\sqrt{1-a} - a = 2b - a[/tex]

This certainly feels like the wrong direction (or I just can't find the next logical step). If I go from here I have trouble comparing a to b ...

If I could get a bigger nudge in the right direction I'd be much appreciative (but nothing more than a nudge please)
 
Alright, let's first suppose that the proposition that [itex]0 < b < a[/itex] is false. Then clearly we must have that [itex]0 < a \leq b = 1 - \sqrt{(1-a)}[/itex]. From this, we know that [itex]0 < \sqrt{(1-a)} < 1 - a[/itex]. Now, can you use the hint to arrive at a contradiction? What does this contradiction suggest about the actual inequality?
 
ah cool, I see it now. For some reason I don't like proofs by contradiction (I really can't say that since I'm just starting to write them). For some reason it's tougher for me to wrap my head around them. Anyway, thanks for the help you two!
 
(just got up :zzz: …)
iamalexalright said:
… For some reason I don't like proofs by contradiction …

Nor do I! :wink:

But you don't need it here …

just start with 1 - b = √(1 - a), and use the hint. :smile:
 
iamalexalright said:
ah cool, I see it now. For some reason I don't like proofs by contradiction (I really can't say that since I'm just starting to write them). For some reason it's tougher for me to wrap my head around them. Anyway, thanks for the help you two!

Yes trying a proof by contradiction for basic inequalities in analysis is ugly, but it can sometimes get the job done well. Once you get to least upper bounds or basic metric topology, you might find contradiction approaches more congenial or elegant.
 

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