Proving (-a)(-b)=ab Using Field Axioms

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The discussion revolves around proving the equation (-a)(-b) = ab using field axioms. Participants express uncertainty about the application of these axioms and the formal structure of the proof.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore different methods to prove the equation, with one suggesting a proof by using the distributive property. Others question the validity of steps taken and the definitions of terms like "-a" and "-b".

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing hints and pointing out potential misunderstandings. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to cite specific axioms and clarify definitions, but no consensus has been reached on a complete proof.

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There is an emphasis on correctly applying field axioms and understanding the definitions of additive and multiplicative inverses. Participants are encouraged to reference their axioms explicitly in their proofs.

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hall,

i need to prove by using the field axioms that:

(-a)(-b)=ab, i think i know how to this but I'm very insecure with using those

axioms cause i want to make sure I'm not using my intuition.

i tried something like: (-a)(-b)=(-1)(a)(-1)b=(-1)(-1)(a)(b)=ab and i guess it's wrong (in the formal way).

could someone show me how this mechanism works in this case?

thanks,

Omri
 
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Well the way you presented it, you actually used what you were trying to prove in the last equality.

Can you prove that -(ab) = (-a)(b)? The hint is that you'll need the distributive property. If you can prove this, then (-a)(-b) = ab is the exact same proof.
 
so if i undrstood you correctly, i can write
-a(b+(-b))=0
-ab+(-a)(-b)=0
ab-ab+(-a)(-b)=0+ab
(-a)(-b)=ab
is that too much stepd for an answer?
thanks
Omri
 
I think you are implicitly using the fact that (-a)b = -ab, but otherwise that looks fine.
 
You will have to cite which axiom you are using at each step.
You probably have them listed with some numbering, so use that.
 
You need to understand that, in the field axioms, "-a" does NOT mean (-1)(a). It means "the additive inverse of a". In order to prove that (-a)(-b)= ab, you need to show that "if x+ a= 0 and y+ b= 0, then xy= ab". You might start by looking at (x+a)(x+b)= 0(0)= 0.

(Yes, you can then show that if x+a= 0, x= -1(a) where "-1" is defined as the additive inverse of the multiplicative identity but I was talking about using the axioms.)
 

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