Proving a distribution is a member of generalised exponential family

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The discussion revolves around proving that a specific distribution is a member of the generalized exponential family of distributions. Participants explore the transformation of the distribution into the required exponential form, discussing challenges and strategies for handling more complex distributions compared to simpler ones like the Poisson distribution.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the distribution f(y;β) and expresses uncertainty about transforming it into the exponential family form, seeking tips for handling complex distributions.
  • Another participant asks for clarification on the notation used in the general formula, specifically regarding the dispersion/scale parameter.
  • A participant provides a worked example of the Poisson distribution, detailing the transformation steps and the resulting parameters.
  • There is a mention of transformation theorems that could help in finding distributions in terms of a known distribution and a transformed variable, although some participants express unfamiliarity with these theorems.
  • A later reply attempts to rewrite the initial participant's argument in a clearer form, suggesting how to identify the parameters θ, b, φ, and c(y, φ) from the transformed expression.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the transformation process for the given distribution, and there are multiple competing views regarding the approach to proving membership in the generalized exponential family.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the correct application of transformation techniques and the specific form of the generalized exponential family, indicating a need for further clarification on these concepts.

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This discussion may be useful for those interested in statistical distributions, particularly in understanding the generalized exponential family and transformation techniques in probability theory.

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I've been asked to prove that the following distribution is a member of the generalised exponential family of distributions.

f(y;β) = (ky2β(y+k))/((β+3)(y+2k)(y+1)1/2)

I know that i have to transform the equation into the form

f(y) = exp{(yθ-bθ)/a∅ +c(y,∅)}

and that to do this i should take the exponential of the log

exp{log(f(y;β))}

I understand how to do this for the more simple distributions (poisson, binomial etc) however i always struggle with more complicated ones. Are there any tips or anything to look out for when answering this type of question.

So far i have
exp[(y+k)log(βy)-(y+2k)log(β+3)+log ky - (1/2)log(y+1)]

but I'm pretty sure that's not correct
 
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what is the empty set symbol in the general formula supposed to be?

Also, could you please demonstrate how you did it for the Poisson distribution?
 
Sorry that's meant to be phi not an empty set. I typed this without my glasses! It's meant to represent the dispersion/scale parameter

For the poisson distribution I did the following;

f(y;θ) = λye/y!

= exp{log(λy/y!)}

= exp{ylogλ - λ - logy!}
with

θ = logλ , a(phi) = phi = 1 , b(θ) = eθ, c(y,phi) = -logy!
 
johnaphun said:
Sorry that's meant to be phi not an empty set. I typed this without my glasses! It's meant to represent the dispersion/scale parameter

For the poisson distribution I did the following;

f(y;θ) = λye/y!

= exp{log(λy/y!)}

= exp{ylogλ - λ - logy!}
with

θ = logλ , a(phi) = phi = 1 , b(θ) = eθ, c(y,phi) = -logy!

Hey johnaphun and welcome to the forums.

Are you aware of transformation theorems to find distributions in terms of a distribution U and a transformed distribution f(U)?
 
Hi chiro, thanks for the reply.

No I'm unaware of these theorems, would be able to explain for me?
 
johnaphun said:
Sorry that's meant to be phi not an empty set. I typed this without my glasses! It's meant to represent the dispersion/scale parameter

For the poisson distribution I did the following;

f(y;θ) = λye/y!

= exp{log(λy/y!)}

= exp{ylogλ - λ - logy!}
with

θ = logλ , a(phi) = phi = 1 , b(θ) = eθ, c(y,phi) = -logy!

johnaphun said:
I've been asked to prove that the following distribution is a member of the generalised exponential family of distributions.

f(y;β) = (ky2β(y+k))/((β+3)(y+2k)(y+1)1/2)

I know that i have to transform the equation into the form

f(y) = exp{(yθ-bθ)/a∅ +c(y,∅)}

and that to do this i should take the exponential of the log

exp{log(f(y;β))}

I understand how to do this for the more simple distributions (poisson, binomial etc) however i always struggle with more complicated ones. Are there any tips or anything to look out for when answering this type of question.

So far i have
exp[(y+k)log(βy)-(y+2k)log(β+3)+log ky - (1/2)log(y+1)]

but I'm pretty sure that's not correct

So, your argument in the exponential may be rewritten as:
<br /> \left[ \log(\beta) - \log(\beta + 3) \right] y + k \log(\beta) - 2 k \log(\beta + 3) + \log(k) + (y + k + 1) \log(y) - \frac{1}{2} \log(y + 1)<br />
Can you read off your \theta, b, \phi, and c(y, \phi). Although, presonally, I don't know what you're doing and what is this generalized exponential.
 
johnaphun said:
Hi chiro, thanks for the reply.

No I'm unaware of these theorems, would be able to explain for me?

Transformations allow you to find the form of a distribution given one known PDF and a transformed random variable involving the PDF. A quick google search gave us this:

http://www.ebyte.it/library/docs/math04a/PdfChangeOfCoordinates04.html
 

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