Proving Absolute Value Convergence of Sequence to A

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The discussion revolves around the convergence of a sequence and its absolute value, specifically questioning whether the convergence of the absolute value of a sequence to a limit implies the convergence of the sequence itself to that limit.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to find a counterexample to the claim regarding convergence. Some participants suggest considering sequences with frequently changing signs, while others provide specific sequences to illustrate their points.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring various sequences to understand the implications of absolute value convergence. Some have provided examples that converge to zero, while others have pointed out sequences that do not converge without the absolute value. There is an ongoing exchange of ideas without a clear consensus yet.

Contextual Notes

There is a focus on the nature of sequences and their convergence properties, with participants questioning the assumptions underlying the relationship between a sequence and its absolute value. The original poster has not yet found a definitive counterexample.

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Homework Statement


If the absolute value of a sequence, an converges to absolute value of A, does sequence, an necessarily converge to A?


Homework Equations


convergence: a sequence { an}n=1-->infinity, converges to A є R (A is called the limit of the sequence) iff for all є > 0, there exists an N є Natural, for all n\geq N (│an - A│< є ).

Also, know that │ │a│ - │b││ \leq │a - b│

The Attempt at a Solution


I've been trying to find a counterexample, but so far I haven't been able to. Any suggestions on this proof?
 
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Consider a sequence whose sign changes frequently.
 
So if my sequence = {(-1)n(\frac{1}{n})= {-1, 1/2, -1/3, 1/4, -1/5, ...} This is converging to 0.

If you have the absolute value of an, it also converges to 0. Remove the absolute value and you get the same convergence point. Maybe I don't have the sequence you had in mind?
 
Try making the absolute value sequence converge to something other than 0.
 
Try the sequence {1,-1,1,-1,1,-1,...}.

RGV
 
Thanks, I finally get it. l (-1) l ^2 will converge to l 1l whereas without the absolute value this sequence never converges but bounces back and forth from -1 to 1.

Also, what is a signature file so that I can add some needed terms?
 
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Also, what is a signature file so that I can add some needed terms?

Click on the "My PF" tab at the top of the page and you will see where to edit your signature file.
 

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