Proving by Induction: P(n) for n>1

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The discussion revolves around proving a mathematical statement by induction for integers n greater than 1, specifically focusing on the inequality involving the sum of reciprocals of squares.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the base case of the induction proof, questioning the validity of the inductive step and the implications of adding terms to both sides of the inequality.
  • Some participants express confusion about the induction process and seek clarification on specific steps and reasoning.
  • There is an exploration of the relationship between the terms in the inequality and how they affect the proof.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights and questioning each other's reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the structure of the proof, but there is no explicit consensus on the approach or clarity on all points raised.

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Participants note the importance of verifying steps in the proof and the need for clarity in the inductive reasoning process. There is an acknowledgment of potential confusion surrounding the application of induction in this context.

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Prove by induction that for an integer n where n>1 , http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/5642/prob1q.jpg


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Prove P(2) is true
then prove P(x) = P(x+1) is true, then it's true for all x

That's all I really from proof by induction. It's just not very intuitive to me at all.
 
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it's been a little while since I've done this, so take this with a grain of salt. you'll probably want someone to verify it, or pretty it up.
so you've shown your base case, i.e. the statement holds for n=2. but you don't want to show P(x) = P(x+1). these are two different situations.
consider that the problem is saying 1/1^2 + 1/2^2 +...+1/n^2 < 2 - 1/n. you've shown it's true for n=2. now consider k, where k>2. what is this term? 1/k^2. what happens when you add 1/k^2 to both sides? is the statement still true?
 
bennyska said:
what happens when you add 1/k^2 to both sides? is the statement still true?

I don't follow. Can you explain a bit or give an example?
 
well, you've shown that 1/1^2 + 1/2^2 +...+1/n^2 < 2 - 1/n, when n = 2, right? so let's call 1/1^2 + 1/n^2 =a, and 2 - 1/n=b. so now a < b. so if we add 1/k^2, where k > 2, to both sides, we have a+1/k^2 < b+1/k^2. is this true? why?
 
Suppose it's true for a certain n>= 2 then:

\sum_{i=1}^{n+1} \frac{1}{i^2}} &lt; 2-\frac{1}{n}+\frac{1}{(n+1)^2} &lt; 2+\frac{1}{n+1}-\frac{1}{n}=2-\frac{1}{n(n+1)}&lt;2-\frac{1}{n+1}
 
dirk_mec1 said:
Suppose it's true for a certain n>= 2 then:

\sum_{i=1}^{n+1} \frac{1}{i^2}} &lt; 2-\frac{1}{n}+\frac{1}{(n+1)^2} &lt; 2+\frac{1}{n+1}-\frac{1}{n}=2-\frac{1}{n(n+1)}&lt;2-\frac{1}{n+1}

Can you explain what you did?

Ok I'm still a bit confused

To show its true for n=2 I do

1/1^2+ 1/2^2 <(2 - 1/1) + (2- 1/2)

Is that how you prove it for n=2?
 

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