Proving c Bisects the Angle Between a and b

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The problem involves proving that the vector \( c \), defined as \( c = |a|b + |b|a \), bisects the angle between the non-zero vectors \( a \) and \( b \). The discussion centers around the geometric and algebraic relationships between these vectors and their angles.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the angles formed by the vectors \( a \), \( b \), and \( c \), particularly focusing on the use of the dot product to relate these angles. There are attempts to express the angles in terms of trigonometric identities, and questions arise about how to incorporate the angle relationships without assuming the outcome.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing various approaches and suggestions. Some participants are questioning the validity of certain relationships and the implications of the trigonometric functions involved. There is no explicit consensus, but there is a productive exchange of ideas regarding the manipulation of vector equations and the properties of angles.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the vectors are in the same plane and that the relationship between the angles is central to the proof. There is an emphasis on not assuming the angle relationships but rather proving them through the given definitions and properties of the vectors.

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Homework Statement


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c=|a|b+|b|a where a,b, and c are all non zero vectors, show that c bisects the angle between a and b


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I'm taking the approach to prove that the angle between b and c= the angle between c and a

I have written the fact that a[itex]\bullet[/itex]b=|a||b|cos [itex]\theta[/itex]
However, I'm not sure how I can work the equation for c to be able to apply the identity.
 
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as you know they are in the same plane and c will be between a and b
[tex]a \bullet b = |a||b|cos\theta[/tex]
[tex]c \bullet b = |c||b|cos\phi[/tex]

and the show [itex]\phi = 2\theta[/itex]
 
I'm not quite sure what you are suggesting.

I can draw the relationship

|a||b|cos [itex]\theta[/itex] = |c||b| cos 2[itex]\theta[/itex]


I can eliminate the |b| from both sides, but I don't know where to go from there, since |c| doesn't seem to help when substituting.
 
Then get rid of "c". You are given that c= |a|b+ |b|a so that c.b= (|a|b+ |b|a).b= |a||b|^2+ |b|a.b.
 
I can replace the c[itex]\bullet[/itex]b side with what you've suggested but then how am I supposed to include that it is twice the angle. I loose this ability without the trigonometric function.
 
Can anyone help me?
 
try doing what Halls suggested and let us see what you get
 
themadhatter1 said:
I can draw the relationship

|a||b|cos [itex]\theta[/itex] = |c||b| cos 2[itex]\theta[/itex]
Is this actually true?
 
themadhatter1 said:
I can replace the c[itex]\bullet[/itex]b side with what you've suggested but then how am I supposed to include that it is twice the angle. I [strike]loose[/strike] lose this ability without the trigonometric function.
You're not supposed to assume it's twice the angle. That's what you're trying to prove!

Note that HallsofIvy's suggestion [itex]\vec{c}\cdot\vec{b} = ab^2+b(\vec{a}\cdot\vec{b})[/itex] has the dot product of [itex]\vec{a}[/itex] and [itex]\vec{b}[/itex] in it. That will introduce [itex]\cos\theta[/itex] into the equation.

You can get rid of [itex]c = \sqrt{\vec{c}\cdot\vec{c}}[/itex] from the righthand side by again using the definition of [itex]\vec{c}[/itex].
 

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