Proving Closure and Identity of aZ + bZ as a Subgroup of Z+

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The discussion revolves around proving that the set aZ + bZ forms a subgroup of the positive integers Z+. Participants are tasked with demonstrating closure, identity, and inverses for this subset, as well as understanding the generation of this subgroup by the integers a and b + 7a.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the necessary properties for a subgroup, including closure and identity, and express uncertainty about how to prove these properties for aZ + bZ. Some suggest starting with the non-emptiness of the set and exploring the implications of integer multiplication. Others seek clarification on the meaning of generating a subgroup with specific elements.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants exploring various aspects of subgroup properties and seeking clarity on definitions. Some have made attempts to articulate their understanding, while others express confusion about specific terms and concepts.

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Participants note the challenge of proving non-emptiness and the relationship between integer multiplication and subgroup properties. There is also a mention of the cyclic subgroup generated by elements, indicating a need for further exploration of this concept.

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Homework Statement



Let a and b be integers

(a) Prove that aZ + bZ is a subgroup of Z+
(b) prove that a and b+7a generate aZ + bZ

Homework Equations



Z is the set of all integers

The Attempt at a Solution



(a)
In order for something to be a subgroup it must satisfy the following 3 properties:

(i)closure; that is that if aZ and bZ are in H (the subgroup of Z+) than aZ+bZ are in H.
(ii) identity: 0 is in H
(iii) inverses: if a(Z)+ b(Z) are in H, then so are -(a(Z) + b(Z)

i really don't know how to prove any of these are true for this particular subset.

I am also completley lost on part b.
 
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SNOOTCHIEBOOCHEE said:
In order for something to be a subgroup it must satisfy the following 3 properties:

(i)closure; that is that if aZ and bZ are in H (the subgroup of Z+) than aZ+bZ are in H.
(ii) identity: 0 is in H
(iii) inverses: if a(Z)+ b(Z) are in H, then so are -(a(Z) + b(Z)
It's simpler than that: For H to be a subgroup of a group G, H must be nonempty and if a, b are elements of H, then ab-1 is an element of H.

i really don't know how to prove any of these are true for this particular subset.
Start by proving that aZ + bZ is not empty. Then pick two arbitrary elements x and y in aZ + bZ and show that x - y is in aZ + bZ.

I am also completley lost on part b.
Do you know what "a and b + 7a generate aZ + bZ" means?
 
How do you show that aZ + bZ is non empty? it seems quite obvious to me but i don't know how to prove it.

Is it something like:

since a and b are integers, and when you mutiply integers with other integers, you get more integers.

I think that a and b+7a generate aZ+bZ means something like a cyclic subgroup generated by the elements a and b+7a is aZ + bZ
 
SNOOTCHIEBOOCHEE said:
How do you show that aZ + bZ is non empty? it seems quite obvious to me but i don't know how to prove it.
Give me a putative element of aZ + bZ and prove that it actually belongs to aZ + bZ.

since a and b are integers, and when you mutiply integers with other integers, you get more integers.
And how does that relate to this problem.

I think that a and b+7a generate aZ+bZ means something like a cyclic subgroup generated by the elements a and b+7a is aZ + bZ
Something like that. Can you provide more details.
 
i know that the cyclic subgroup generated by a single element (lets say a) would be

(... a^-2 , a ^-1 , I , a, a^2, a^3, ...)

dunno how this works for 2 elements
 
NM i figured this whole problem out

Thanks.

feel free to lock mods.
 

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