Proving Continuity of f(x) = x Using Deltas and Epsilons

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The discussion revolves around proving the continuity of the function f(x) = x using the delta-epsilon definition of continuity in calculus. Participants explore how to demonstrate that the limit of f(x) as x approaches a equals f(a) for all points a.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the application of the delta-epsilon definition, questioning how to choose appropriate delta values based on given epsilon values. There is exploration of the reasoning behind substituting f(a) for L in the limit definition and the implications of asserting the limit before proving it.

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The discussion is active, with participants exchanging ideas about the delta-epsilon approach. Some have provided guidance on how to relate delta and epsilon, while others express confusion about the process of proving limits and continuity. There is no explicit consensus, but multiple interpretations and methods are being explored.

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Participants express uncertainty about the relationship between delta and epsilon, particularly in how to select values that satisfy the continuity condition. There are references to common sources of confusion regarding the definitions and the proof structure in calculus.

  • #31
Moogie said:
If delta < epsilon/2?
Yes.

Here's the proof that f(x) = 2x is continuous at (2, 4).
Let epsilon > 0 be chosen.

|f(x) - 4| < epsilon
==> |2x - 4| < epsilon
==> 2|x - 2| < epsilon
==> |x - 2| < epsilon/2

Take delta = epsilon/2

Since each of the steps above is reversible, if |x - 2| < delta, then |2x - 4| < epsilon, as required.

This example and your other example (f(x) = x) are very simple, since both functions represent straight lines. As soon as you increase the complexity to nonlinear functions, the proofs get quite a bit trickier.
 
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  • #32
Hi

I don't think I'll go on to trickier problems :)

I just want to learn a bit of the proof behind some of the calculus I am learning as I feel a bit uncomfortable applying things without knowing where they come from. If I understand how the basic examples are done, I can feel comfortable the more complex examples can be prooved without knowing how to do them myself.

I'm from the UK and even in the calculus books i have for school/college level (up to 18 years old) they don't mention really touch on the theory of limits; they give an intuitive idea of what a limit is and then just dive straight in with differentiation and integration. The books I have now are american and have quite a different approach. Do you study this sort of thing at school/college in america? It seems in the UK you don't do it until university.
 
  • #33
If its not too much trouble, could i kindly ask you to show mw how to write out a quick proof that f(x) = x is continuous then I can write it up and put it with my notes so I can refer to it this time next week when I've forgotten it again.

I appreciate you have already spent more than enough time helping me on this question; your help it truly valued
 
  • #34
Here's the proof that f(x) = x is continuous at (a, f(a)) = (a, a).
Let epsilon > 0 be chosen.

|f(x) - f(a)| < epsilon
==> |x - a| < epsilon

Take delta = epsilon

Since each of the steps above is reversible, if |x - a| < delta, then |f(x) - f(a)| = |x - a| < epsilon, as required.
 
  • #35
Moogie said:
Hi

I don't think I'll go on to trickier problems :)

I just want to learn a bit of the proof behind some of the calculus I am learning as I feel a bit uncomfortable applying things without knowing where they come from. If I understand how the basic examples are done, I can feel comfortable the more complex examples can be prooved without knowing how to do them myself.

I'm from the UK and even in the calculus books i have for school/college level (up to 18 years old) they don't mention really touch on the theory of limits; they give an intuitive idea of what a limit is and then just dive straight in with differentiation and integration. The books I have now are american and have quite a different approach. Do you study this sort of thing at school/college in america? It seems in the UK you don't do it until university.
I have been out of college math teaching for about 13 years now, so I haven't really been following calculus textbooks much. Different books seemed to take different approaches with regard to how rigorously limits were presented. I don't believe that high school texts do much in the way of epsilon-delta presentations of limits, but then I haven't seen any high school texts for a good long while.
 
  • #36
Thank-you. You've been incredibly helpful.
 

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