Proving Divisibility of 'abba' & 'abbbba' by 11

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The discussion revolves around proving the divisibility of the numbers represented by the patterns 'abba' and 'abbbba' by 11. Participants explore the properties of these numbers as four-digit and five-digit representations, respectively, and question the underlying principles of divisibility.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the rules of divisibility for 11 and how to express the numbers in terms of their digits. Some suggest using algebraic manipulation to collect terms and check divisibility, while others propose using modular arithmetic. There are questions about the understanding of modulo operations and how they relate to the problem.

Discussion Status

The conversation includes various approaches to the problem, with some participants providing algebraic expressions and reasoning about divisibility. There is acknowledgment of differing levels of familiarity with concepts like modulo, and some participants express uncertainty about how to apply these ideas. A few have indicated progress in understanding the problem.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention that they have not yet learned about modulo arithmetic, which affects their ability to engage with certain proposed methods. There is also a reference to a common factor in the context of divisibility, indicating a potential area of exploration.

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A four digit number can be represented by 'abba'. (where a and b are digits)

1) show that abba is always divisible by 11.
2) show that abbbba is always divisible by 11.
3) is abbba divisble by 11?

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i honestly have no idea how to begin solving this, i understand what its asking but have no idea how to prove it.
 
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What are the rules of divisibility for 11?
 
You can write the number abba with its digits as N=1000*a+100*b+10b+a.

Collect the terms containing a and b:

N=1001*a +110 *b.

See if the factors 1001 and 110 are divisible by 11.

ehild
 
I have a easier way.

you can express N as :
10³a+10²b+10b+a
==(-1)³a+(-1)²b+(-1)b+a mod(11)
==-a+a+b-b mod(11)
==0 mod(11)

I believe the others can be proved analogously.
 
What icystrike said, can be generalized for any integer N.

Let

[tex]N=a_n10^n+...+a_110+a_0[/tex]

Then, since 10=(-1)(mod11) it follows that 10^n=(-1)^n(mod11), and similarly for others, so:

[tex]a_n10^n+...+a_110+a_0=a_n(-1)^n+a_{n-1}(-1)^{n-1}+...+a_1(-1)+a_0(mod 11)[/tex]

Which basically tells you that a number N is divisible by 11 iff when adding and subtracting its digits alternatively gives you zero.

now 2) -a+b-b+b-b+a=0. so yes!
 
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we haven't learned modulo yet so I am not sure how to use them. I understand what you guys mean when you say it can be represented by 1000a + 100b + 10b + a but i don't understand how to use 11 to solve it.
 
um0123 said:
we haven't learned modulo yet so I am not sure how to use them. I understand what you guys mean when you say it can be represented by 1000a + 100b + 10b + a but i don't understand how to use 11 to solve it.

ehild explained it without modulo.

Have a look at his/her post! (post #3)
 
thanks to everyone, i figured it out and gave an explanation stating that if both nomials are divisible by a common factor then the sum of the two must also be.
 
It can easily be proved that if d|a and d|b then d|(ah+bk), where h,k are integers.
 

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