Proving Divisibility: The Relationship between n, p, and (n-1)!

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The discussion revolves around proving a divisibility relationship involving integers n, p, and (n-1)!, specifically when n is expressed as the product of two primes, p and q. Participants are exploring the conditions under which p divides (n-1)!, given that 1 < p < n.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the validity of the statement that p divides (n-1)! and express a desire for a simpler proof. There are inquiries about proving specific assertions related to the divisibility and the implications of p being less than n.

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The conversation is ongoing, with some participants suggesting proof by induction as a potential method. Others express uncertainty about how to approach the proof and are seeking clarification and guidance on their reasoning.

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Participants are working within the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the methods they can use or the information they can assume. There is a noted ambiguity in the original poster's understanding of the proof process.

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Homework Statement



i want to show if n = pq, 1 < p < n, then p l (n-1)!

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i can see its true, because p < n, p l p, then p l (n-1)!. and this prove very ambiguous for me

2 question.

1.help me, i think there must be easier way to prove the question

2. btw, how do i prove those bold statement?

if 1 < p < n, p l p, then p l (n-1)! its something like this p l (1)...(p)...(n-1)!, help T_T
 
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Here's an example (not a proof!) to show what's going on.

Let n = 21 = 7 * 3, with p = 7 and q = 3.

Does p | 20! ? Since 20! = 1 * 2 * 3 * ... * 6 * 7 * 8 * ... * 19 * 20, p clearly divides (n - 1)! in this example.
 


i know, that's what i already see. but how should i prove it T_T,
 


Show that, since p < n, then there is a factor of p in (n - 1)!. A proof by induction is one way to go. There might be a simpler way, but it doesn't occur to me.
 


i'll try by induction, thank you ^^
 

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