Proving f is Not Surjective: A Finite Set Mapping to its Power Set

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The discussion revolves around proving that a mapping from a finite set X to its power set P(X) is not surjective. Participants are exploring the implications of the cardinality of finite sets and their power sets in the context of surjectivity.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Exploratory

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  • The original poster outlines a proof strategy involving induction to show that P(X) has more elements than X and discusses the implications of mapping cardinalities. Other participants suggest constructing a specific subset of X that is not an image under f, referencing known proofs related to countability.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some offering hints and suggestions for constructing a non-image subset. There is a mix of approaches being explored, but no consensus has been reached on a single method or solution.

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There is an indication that the original poster is seeking a more effective proof strategy, and some participants are referencing known proofs that may provide insight into the problem. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to clarify assumptions and explore different lines of reasoning.

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Homework Statement


Suppose that f is a mapping from a finite set X to P(X) (the power set of X). Prove that f is not surjective.

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My proof strategy is
1) Show that P(X) always has more elements than X
2) Show that a mapping from X->Y cannot be surjective if Y has more elements than X.
(Unless someone can suggest a better strategy ;)

1)We'll prove this by induction. Let |X| represent the number of elements in a finite set X. For the base case, X={a} and P(x)={ {a}, {a,0} }, so it holds (0 means the null set here). For the inductive step suppose X={a1,...,an} and |P(x)| > |X|. Let Y = {a1,...an,a_n+1}, where we have added a new element a_n+1. Then |Y|=|X|+1. But P(Y)=P(X) (union) {a_n+1} (union) {a_n+1,0} (union) Possibly some other sets including a_n+1. Thus
|P(Y)| >= |P(X)| + 2 > |P(X)| + 1 > |X| + 1 = |Y|.

2)Suppose X={x1,...,xn} and Y={y1,...,ym} where m>n. Let f:X->Y. Then the image of f has at most n distinct elements, so there are at the fewest m-n elements of Y that aren't in the image of f. Since m-n > 0, this means that f is not surjective, as there m-n elements of Y that cannot be written as f(x) for some x in X.

Just a rough outline of the proof, but does that seem okay?
 
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nicksauce said:
Suppose that f is a mapping from a finite set X to P(X) (the power set of X). Prove that f is not surjective.

(Unless someone can suggest a better strategy ;)

Hi nicksauce! :smile:

The object is to construct an A in P(X) such that A is not an f(x) …

Do you know the proof that the real numbers are not countable?

You can adapt it to this. :smile:

(if you don't know it, come back for a specific hint :wink:)
 
I don't know that proof, so that specific hint might be helpful. Thanks.
 
ok…

For a given f, you need to construct a subset of X which is not an f(x).

Hint: for a given f, for each x, either x ε f(x), or x ε X - f(x). :smile:
 

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