Proving f(x)=k on [a,b] using Rolle's theorem and other calculus theorems

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The discussion revolves around proving that a function f(x) is constant on the interval [a,b] given that f is continuous on [a,b] and f'(x)=0 for every x in (a,b). Participants are exploring the application of Rolle's theorem and the Mean Value Theorem (MVT) in this context.

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  • The original poster attempts to use Rolle's theorem to show that if f'(x)=0, then f must be constant. Some participants suggest a contradiction approach, questioning the assumption that f is not constant and considering the implications of the MVT.

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Participants are actively discussing different approaches to the proof, with some expressing uncertainty about the validity of the original poster's method. There is a recognition that Rolle's theorem may not be applicable without the assumption that f(c) = f(d). The conversation is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored.

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There is a mention of the need to clarify the assumptions under which Rolle's theorem can be applied, as well as the implications of using the Mean Value Theorem in the context of proving the constancy of the function.

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Hey, I'm revising my calculus 1 test, I'm just not sure if this is a valid way to prove this.

If f is continuous on [a,b] and if f'(x)=0 for every x in (a,b), prove that f(x)=k for some real number k

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Rolle's theorem: if f(a)=f(b), then there is some number c such that f'(c)=0

Possibly other theorems like MVT, IVT whatever

The Attempt at a Solution



Since f is continuous on [a,b] and differentiable on (a,b), Rolle's theorem applies.

If f'(x)=0 for every x in (a,b), then there is a number Z in the interval [c,d], where a\leqc\leqd\leqb, such that (f(d)-f(c))/(d-c)=f'(Z)

Since Z is in [a,b] f'(Z)=0, so for any interval [c,d] (f(d)-f(c))/(d-c)=0, therefore f(c)=f(d) which means f(x)=k for some real number k
 
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I would approach this a different way through a contradiction proof. Suppose f(x) is not constant on [a,b]. So there exists c,d in [a,b] such that f(c) does not equal f(d). Do you see where you can apply mean value theorem? (assuming you can use MVT)
 
gb7nash said:
I would approach this a different way through a contradiction proof. Suppose f(x) is not constant on [a,b]. So there exists c,d in [a,b] such that f(c) does not equal f(d). Do you see where you can apply mean value theorem? (assuming you can use MVT)

If f(c)=/= f(d) then by the MVT there exists a f'(x) in [a,b] that does not equal zero.

Thanks, but do you think the way I did it is also correct?
 
Anyone else know if the first way I did it (or a similar way) is correct, I only ask because I think that's how my professor wants it done.
 
Zarem said:
Since f is continuous on [a,b] and differentiable on (a,b), Rolle's theorem applies.

Omit this. If you look back at your answer, Rolle's Theorem is never used, since we're not assuming that f(c) = f(d). That's the conclusion we want to arrive at.

Zarem said:
If f'(x)=0 for every x in (a,b), then there is a number Z in the interval [c,d], where a\leqc\leqd\leqb, such that (f(d)-f(c))/(d-c)=f'(Z)

It looks like you have the right idea on this, though you might want to rearrange your sentence. One way of showing that a function is constant is by fixing two arbitary points not equal to each other (c and d in this case) and arriving at f(c) = f(d). Here might be a better way to reword it:

Fix c and d in [a,b] such that a \leq c &lt; d \leq b. (Notice that we want to choose two arbitrary points, so WLOG c < d). Since f'(x) = 0 for all x in (c,d), f is differentiable on (c,d), so by MVT there exists a Z in (c,d) such that (f(d)-f(c))/(d-c)=f'(Z)

We know f'(Z) = 0, so:
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