Proving Gal(Q(SQRT3)/Q) has Order 1

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The discussion revolves around determining the order of the Galois group Gal(Q(√3)/Q) and clarifying the implications of algebraic extensions involving square roots and cube roots.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mixed

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  • Participants explore the nature of automorphisms in the context of Galois theory, questioning the mappings of √3 and discussing the implications of different roots in algebraic equations.

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Some participants assert that the Galois group has order 2, while others initially suggest it might be 1. The conversation includes attempts to clarify the mappings and properties of roots in relation to their respective fields.

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There is a noted confusion between the square root and cube root of 3, which affects the understanding of the Galois group's order. Participants are also considering the implications of real and complex roots in their discussions.

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How does one show that the order of Gal(Q(SQRT3)/Q) is 1.

I mean, I understand that all the elements of Q (irrationals) will stay fixed, and that really only leaves one mapping of SQRT3 to itself as well, but I don't know how one would construct a proof. any help would be great.
 
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That's not true. You can send sqrt(3) to -sqrt(3).
 
calvino said:
How does one show that the order of Gal(Q(SQRT3)/Q) is 1.

I mean, I understand that all the elements of Q (irrationals) will stay fixed, and that really only leaves one mapping of SQRT3 to itself as well, but I don't know how one would construct a proof. any help would be great.

You don't, it's not. Gal(Q(\sqrt{3})/Q) is the group of automorphisms from Q(\sqrt{3}) to itself that "fixes" members of Q- that is f(r)= r if r is rational. Any number in Q(\sqrt{3}) can be written in the form a+ b\sqrt{3}. If f is an automorphism in that set, then f(a+ b\sqrt{3})= f(a)+ f(b)f(\sqrt{3}) (since f is an isomorphism)= a+ bf(\sqrt{3}). What can f(\sqr{3}) be? Well, \sqrt{3} satisfies (\sqrt{3})^2= 3 so, applying f to both sides, f((\sqrt{3})^2)= (f(\sqrt{3}))^2= f(3)= 3. In other words, (f(\sqrt{3}))^2= 3 so f(\sqrt{3}) must be either \sqrt{3} or -\sqrt{3}.

If f(\sqrt{3})= \sqrt{3} then f(a+ b\sqrt{3})= a+ b\sqrt{3}: f is the identity function.,
If f(\sqrt{3})= -\sqrt{3} then f(a+ b\sqrt{3})= a-b\sqrt{3}.

The Galois group has order 2, not 1.

(Generally, if a is algebraic of order n, then Gal(Q(a)/Q) has order n.)
 
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that's right. it has order 2. the actual question talked of the cube root of 3, and not the sqrt. I mistakingly thought It would be similar if I used the latter. So by the same method I can show that the cuberoot of 3 must be sent to the cuberoot of 3. Thank you. I will try it out now.
 
Notice the difference. x^2= 3 has two real roots: \sqrt{3} and -\sqrt{3} both of which are in Q(\sqrt{3}).

The equation x^3= 3 has 3 roots but only one of them, ^3\sqrt{3} is real and only that one is in Q(^3\sqrt{3}).
 

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