Proving Lagrangian EOM with Non-minimal Coupling

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around deriving the equations of motion (EOM) for a specific Lagrangian involving non-minimal coupling. Participants are exploring the mathematical expressions related to the Riemann tensor and the d'Alembertian operator, seeking clarification and hints to resolve their difficulties.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in proving the equation \( g^{\mu \nu} \delta R_{\mu \nu} B(\phi) = (\nabla_{\mu} \nabla_\nu - \square B g_\mu_\nu) \) and requests hints for assistance.
  • There is a query regarding the correct form of the d'Alembertian operator, with one participant presenting two different expressions for \( \square \) and seeking confirmation on which is accurate.
  • Another participant provides a formulation for the d'Alembertian operator as \( \square \Phi = (1/\sqrt{-g})(\partial_\mu(\sqrt{-g} g^{\mu\nu} \partial_\nu \Phi)) \).
  • A later reply notes a missing term \( \delta g_{\mu \nu} \) in the initial equation and suggests a revised expression \( (\nabla_\mu \nabla_\nu - g_{\mu\nu}\square)B \), indicating an ongoing refinement of the mathematical approach.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the correct formulation of the d'Alembertian operator or the proof of the initial equation, indicating that multiple competing views and uncertainties remain in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions related to the derivation of the equations, particularly concerning the treatment of the Riemann tensor and the definitions of the d'Alembertian operator.

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Hi, I am currently in training and while deriving the EOM for a specific lagrangian I am having difficulties to prove that[tex]g^{\mu \nu} \delta R_{\mu \nu} B(\phi) = (\nabla_{\mu} \nabla_\nu - \square B g_\mu_\nu)[/tex] I am ashamed it might be a simple calculus but I don't see how. If you had just hints to help me that would be fair.

Moreover I would like to check wether [tex]\square = \frac{\partial_\mu (\sqrt{-g}g^\mu^\nu)\partial_\nu}{\sqrt{-g}}[/tex] as I found or [tex]\square = \frac{\partial_\mu\sqrt{-g}g^\mu^\nu\partial_\nu}{\sqrt{-g}}[/tex] as I read into one reference.


Thanks.
 
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well latex doesn't semm to work pretty well with me...
 
◻Φ = (1/√-g)(∂μ(√-g gμννΦ))
 
thanks.
But the more important was how I can prove the first equation about the riemann tensor.

it lacks a[tex]\delta g{\mu \nu}[/tex] on the right member of the first equation. But however I think I can manage now.

and you should read [tex](\nabla_\mu \nabla_\nu -g_{\mu\nu}\square)B[/tex]

but I found it
 
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