Proving Midpts of Quadrilateral Make Parallelogram: Position Vectors

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The discussion revolves around the proof that the midpoints of the sides of a quadrilateral form a parallelogram, focusing on the use of position vectors and the choice of origin in vector representation.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants discuss the placement of the origin when defining position vectors for points A, B, C, and D.
  • It is suggested that the origin can be placed at any convenient point, such as point A, which simplifies calculations.
  • There is a proposal to use the formula for the position vector of the midpoint, with some participants indicating that using the origin at A makes the calculations simpler.
  • Participants question the relationship between the position vectors of points Q and P in the context of defining a parallelogram.
  • One participant states that a parallelogram has opposite sides that are parallel and equal in length, contributing to the understanding of the geometric properties involved.
  • There is a clarification that the expression for the vector PQ is derived from the position vectors of Q and P, leading to a discussion about the definitions involved in proving the properties of a parallelogram.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the flexibility of choosing the origin for position vectors, but there is no consensus on the specific implications of this choice for proving the properties of the parallelogram.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the standard formulas and definitions related to position vectors and parallelograms, indicating a need for clarity on these concepts.

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While proving the Midpoints of the Sides of a Quadrilateral Form a Parallelogram , I got bogged down with position vectors.

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Let a,b,c and d be the position vectors of A,B,C and D. But where is the origin? Aren't we supposed to locate position of origin?
 
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gracy said:
Let a,b,c and d be the position vectors of A,B,C and D. But where is the origin? Aren't we supposed to locate position of origin?

You can put the origin wherever you like. I might put it at point ##A##.
 
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If we take origin at A, position vector of A that is given to be a will be 0,0 . Right?
 
As PeroK said, you can put the origin at any point as per your convenience.
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While proving the Midpoints of the Sides of a Quadrilateral Form a Parallelogram ,
This problem can be solved using simple properties of triangle.
 
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gracy said:
If we take origin at A, position vector of A that is given to be a will be 0,0 . Right?

I'd say the position vector of ##A## in that case is ##\vec{0}##. This may simplify the problem.
 
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I want to use the following formula for position vector of mid point
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For that I need origin other than point A.
 
gracy said:
I want to use the following formula for position vector of mid point
Su58k03_m27.gif

For that I need origin other than point A.

That's the right formula, but it's even simpler with ##\vec{OA} = \vec{0}##.
 
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If we take ##\vec{OA}## = ##\vec{0}##
The formula will be reduced to
##\vec{OM}## = ##\frac{OB}{2}##
(I meant position vector of OB , I don't know how to get vector sign on top of OB)
 
gracy said:
If we take ##\vec{OA}## = ##\vec{0}##
The formula will be reduced to
##\vec{OM}## = ##\frac{OB}{2}##
(I meant position vector of OB , I don't know how to get vector sign on top of OB)

Okay, that gives you the position vector of point ##P##.

Have you thought yet about what you need to do to show that ##PQRS## is a parallelogram?
 
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In the book it's given
PQ= position vector of Q - position vector of P
How so? Is there any particular standard formula for this that I am missing?
 
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gracy said:
In the book it's given
PQ= position vector of Q - position vector of P
How so? Is there any particular standard formula for this that I am missing?

It's not a formula. But, what defines a parallelogram?
 
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PeroK said:
what defines a parallelogram?
A Parallelogram has opposite sides parallel and equal in length.
 
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gracy said:
Parallelogram has opposite sides parallel.

Good. Think a bit more about what you need to do to show this.

gracy said:
In the book it's given
PQ= position vector of Q - position vector of P
How so? Is there any particular standard formula for this that I am missing?

You can get from the origin to point ##Q## in two ways:

##\vec{OQ}##

Or:

##\vec{OP} + \vec{PQ}##

Therefore:

##\vec{OQ} = \vec{OP} + \vec{PQ}##
 
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