Proving Multiple Tangents for y=(x^2+x-2)^2+3 at x=1

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The discussion revolves around proving that the tangent to the curve defined by y=(x^2+x-2)^2+3 at the point where x=1 is also tangent to the curve at another point. Participants are exploring the implications of the derivative and the nature of the tangent lines at various points on the curve.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are calculating the derivative and identifying points where the derivative equals zero, suggesting that these points correspond to horizontal tangents. There is discussion about the implications of these points and whether they correctly address the original problem statement.

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There is ongoing exploration of the relationship between the tangents at x=1 and other points, particularly x=-2 and x=-1/2. Some participants express confusion about the relevance of x=-1/2 in relation to the tangent at x=1, while others clarify that the tangent lines at x=1 and x=-2 share the same equation.

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Participants are grappling with the interpretation of the problem and the conditions under which the tangents are considered. There is mention of graphing the function to visualize the behavior of the tangents, which may influence their understanding of the problem.

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Homework Statement


Show that the tangent to the curve [tex]y=(x^2+x-2)^2+3[/tex] at the point where x =1 is also tangent to the curve at another point.

Homework Equations



[tex]y=(x^2+x-2)^2+3[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



[tex]y'=2(x^2+x-2)(2x+1)[/tex]
[tex]y'(1)=0[/tex]
[tex]0=2(2x+1)(x+2)(x-1)[/tex]

x= -1/2, -2, 1

Would this be correct?
 
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fghtffyrdmns said:

Homework Statement


Show that the tanget to the curve [tex]y=(x^2+x-2)^2+3[/tex] at the point where x =1 is also tangent to the curve at another point.


Homework Equations



[tex]y=(x^2+x-2)^2+3[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



[tex]y'=2(x^2+x-2)(2x+1)[/tex]
[tex]y'(1)=0[/tex]
[tex]0=2(2x+1)(x+2)(x-1)[/tex]

x= -1/2, -2, 1

Would this be correct?

Yes.

For [tex]f'(x) = 0[/tex], I also get x= -2 or x= -1/2 or x = 1.
 
Something does not seem right to me though. I found y'(1) = 0. Therefor the tangent line at x=1 is a horizontal line. I don't understand why x=-1/2 is an answer. I got -2 as the other point.
 
fghtffyrdmns said:
Something does not seem right to me though. I found y'(1) = 0. Therefor the tangent line at x=1 is a horizontal line. I don't understand why x=-1/2 is an answer. I got -2 as the other point.

I graphed out the function in Maple to make sure.

You can clearly see where the derivative would be = 0, at the 3 points quoted above.
Hope this helps out.
Arkqr.png
 
MarcMTL said:
I graphed out the function in Maple to make sure.

You can clearly see where the derivative would be = 0, at the 3 points quoted above.
Hope this helps out.
Arkqr.png

Yes, this is how why I am confused. The tangent line at x=1 is y=3. That is also the same at x=-2. But why -1/2?

I'm confusing myself :/.
 
Because the tangent at x = -1/2 is horizontal, thus y'(-1/2) = y'(-2) = y'(1) = 0. The tangent line at x = -1/2 has a different equation than those at x = -2 and x = -1.

Setting the derivative equal to zero tells you where the function has horizontal tangents, but it doesn't tell you the equations of the tangent lines.

BTW, the graph that MarcMTL provided is very rough. At the turning points, the graph of the function is much smoother.
 
Mark44 said:
Because the tangent at x = -1/2 is horizontal, thus y'(-1/2) = y'(-2) = y'(1) = 0. The tangent line at x = -1/2 has a different equation than those at x = -2 and x = -1.

Setting the derivative equal to zero tells you where the function has horizontal tangents, but it doesn't tell you the equations of the tangent lines.

BTW, the graph that MarcMTL provided is very rough. At the turning points, the graph of the function is much smoother.

So my answers the first time are correct?
I think I misinterpreted the question as to where the tangent at 0 crosses another point.
 
The values are correct, but I don't think you answered the question you were supposed to answer; namely, show that the tangent at x = 1 is also tangent to the curve at another point. You should have said something about the tangent line at x = 1 and the tangent line at x = -2 both have the same equation: y = 3. The problem isn't at all concerned with the tangent at x = -1/2.
 
Did you really plot that graph in Maple? It should look much nicer:

graph.jpg
 

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