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Your post would be easier to follow if you used the quote feature...
(In my writing, I use "class" in standard set-theoretic fashion, rather than the way you are using it)
It is also (vacuously) true that "If the class of all sets is itself a set, then the class {x:x∉x} is a set" is also a theorem of ZFC.
Not to be flippant, but you do know what a "proof by contradiction" is, right?
In this case, however, {x:x∉x} is well-formed, denoting a class of sets. On the hypothesis that there is a set of sets, direct application of the axiom of subsets implies that {x:x∉x} actually defines a set.
Now, {x:x∉x} isn't what was originally written. What was originally written was
For example ... The present king of France, describes a purported person who does not exist.
That natural number between 2 and 3, describes a purported natural number which does not exist.
The x such that Fx & ~Fx, describes a purported object which does not exist.
The 'purported' set {x:x∉x} does not exist.
Of course, I would also complain about the odd logic you are using -- one that allows strings of symbols that would ordinarily be ill-formed, instead using some sort of modal operator to capture the notion. I know such things are possible, but such a thing is definitely not first-order predicate logic.
(In my writing, I use "class" in standard set-theoretic fashion, rather than the way you are using it)
It is true that "the class {x:x∉x} is not a set" is a theorem of ZFC.Owen4x said:Whether 'U exists' or not, {x:x∉x} is not a member of any set/class...{x:x∉x} does not exist.
It is also (vacuously) true that "If the class of all sets is itself a set, then the class {x:x∉x} is a set" is also a theorem of ZFC.
"~S is a theorem" does not imply "S is not a theorem". You are implicitly assuming consistency -- an assumption that fails for the hypotheses "ZFC + there is a set of all sets".There is no entity that is equal to {x:x∉x} is provable within FOPL=
~EyAx(xRy <-> ~(xRx)) is a theorem. That is, ~EyAx(x e y <-> ~(x e x)) is true.
Not to be flippant, but you do know what a "proof by contradiction" is, right?
I'm more familiar with the phrase "well-formed" -- and a set of symbols that violates the grammar of the formal language of interest.I guess you have not heard about "purported" entities.
Any purported entity described by a contradictory predication does not exist.
Non-referring descriptions are not unheard of.
In this case, however, {x:x∉x} is well-formed, denoting a class of sets. On the hypothesis that there is a set of sets, direct application of the axiom of subsets implies that {x:x∉x} actually defines a set.
Now, {x:x∉x} isn't what was originally written. What was originally written was
{x∈U | x ∉ x }
which is plain ordinary set-builder notation. Given any set S and any formula P, the notation{x∈S | P(x) }
denotes a set, specifically the particular set whose existence is guaranteed by the axiom of subsets.For example ... The present king of France, describes a purported person who does not exist.
That natural number between 2 and 3, describes a purported natural number which does not exist.
The x such that Fx & ~Fx, describes a purported object which does not exist.
The 'purported' set {x:x∉x} does not exist.
If you mean "set", then why the heck are you using the word "class", particularly since you are not using the word to mean what (standard) set-theory means by the word?Classes are sets, ..collections of entities. If {x:x∉x} does not exist, then surely there is no set or class that it is equal to.
Class. Not a set. And {x:x=x} = {x:x∉x}.{x:x=x} is the class/set of all classes/sets
The main thing I was complaining about is that the types don't make sense -- you are applying the operator "&" when the left argument is a class and the right argument is a predicate.What?! You have used this expression in your reply,
Of course, I would also complain about the odd logic you are using -- one that allows strings of symbols that would ordinarily be ill-formed, instead using some sort of modal operator to capture the notion. I know such things are possible, but such a thing is definitely not first-order predicate logic.