Proving Periodic Orbit of x' & y' System

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The problem involves proving that a given system of differential equations has at least one periodic orbit. The system is defined by the equations x' = x - y - 2x^3 - 2xy^2 + x^2√(x^2 + y^2) and y' = x + y - 2x^2y - 2y^3 + xy√(x^2 + y^2), which suggests a study in dynamical systems and periodicity.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss converting the system to polar coordinates and explore the implications of the derived equations for r' and θ'. Questions arise about the interpretation of a constant angular speed and its relation to periodic orbits. There is also a suggestion to transform the equations differently to simplify the analysis.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing their attempts and interpretations of the equations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the transformation of variables and the implications of the results obtained. There is an ongoing exploration of the conditions under which the system may exhibit periodic behavior, particularly focusing on the average behavior of r' over cycles.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the terms in the equations, and participants are clarifying their understanding of the transformations used. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to navigate the complexities of the problem without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Homework Statement


Prove that the following system has at least one periodic orbit.
x' = x - y - 2x3 - 2xy2 + x2sqrt(x2 + y2)
y' = x + y - 2x2y - 2y3 + xysqrt(x2 + y2)


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I converted to polar coordinates to get r' = (xx'+yy')/r and theta' = (xy'-yx')/r2
For r' I got something ugly but in terms of theta' I get theta' = 1. If theta' = 1 = constant imply a periodic orbit? Any help please.
 
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squenshl said:
...but in terms of theta' I get theta' = 1. If theta' = 1 = constant imply a periodic orbit?

That will only imply that the angular speed along the trajectory is a constant; that doesn't guarantee by itself that the trajectory even forms a closed curve.

Try using polar coordinates in the other direction. Transform x , y , x' , and y' on both sides of the equation: you find something cancels that will simply r' considerably. (Note that an r2 can be factored out of the third and fourth terms in both differential equations.) Both the x' and the y' equations will lead to the same result.
 
Cheers, not sure what you mean by polar coordinates in the other direction though.
 
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Use [itex]x = r \cos \theta[/itex] and [itex]y = r \sin \theta[/itex] , and also differentiate these to get expressions for x' and y' to use on the left-hand side, rather than trying to express r' and [itex]\theta \prime[/itex] in terms of x' and y' .
 
Thanks.
Doing it the first way I get r' = r3cos(theta)-2r3+r, theta' = 1. How do I interpret these to show that this system has a periodic orbit (if I can indeed interpret these).
 
squenshl said:
Thanks.
Doing it the first way I get r' = r3cos(theta)-2r3+r, theta' = 1. How do I interpret these to show that this system has a periodic orbit (if I can indeed interpret these).

Starting from [itex]x\prime = x - y - 2x r^{2} + \frac{x^{2}}{r}[/itex] ,

we get [itex](r \cos\theta)\prime = r ( 1 - 2r^{2} ) \cos\theta - r\sin\theta + r \cos^{2}\theta .[/itex]

Since [itex](r \cos\theta)\prime = r\prime \cos\theta - r\sin\theta[/itex],

we get to cancel the r sin(theta) term and divide through by cos(theta).I believe you should get [itex]r \prime = r ( 1 - 2r^{2} ) + r \cos\theta .[/itex]
Handling the y' equation leaves us with exactly the same result.

Now plainly we won't have r' = 0 everywhere, but is there a value of r for which r' will be zero on average over one or more cycles of theta? If so, then we've found a periodic orbit.
 
Awesome. Cheers mate, but I got r' = r(1-2r2) + r3cos(theta).
 
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dynamicsolo said:
Starting from [itex]x\prime = x - y - 2x r^{2} + \frac{x^{2}}{r}[/itex] ...

(expletive) I'm sorry, I've been reading that last term wrong all this time (I should not try to do anything on PF after 1 AM).

This should be [itex]x\prime = x - y - 2x r^{2} + r x^{2}[/itex] , which leads to

we get [itex](r \cos\theta)\prime = r ( 1 - 2r^{2} ) \cos\theta - r\sin\theta + r^{3} \cos^{2}\theta .[/itex]

So your equation [itex]r \prime = r ( 1 - 2r^{2} ) + r^{3} \cos\theta[/itex] was correct.

This does not invalidate the rest of what I suggested (fortunately); it doesn't even change the value of r required (you want to "zero out" the first term on the right-hand side).If you plot your system of equations on a grapher that can handle vector fields, you'll find that the "orbit" constitutes what is called a "limit cycle". The "flow" outside this orbit is attracted to it, and so is the flow within the orbit.
 
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