Setting up a Double Integral in Polar Coordinates

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The discussion revolves around setting up a double integral in polar coordinates for a volume calculation involving an 'ice cream cone' defined by the surfaces z = 14 - x² - y² and z = x² + y². Participants are exploring the intersection of these surfaces and the appropriate setup for the integral.

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  • Participants discuss finding the intersection of the two surfaces and setting up the integral in polar coordinates. There is some confusion regarding the correct form of the integrand and the purpose of the integration (volume vs. surface area).

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Some participants have successfully identified the limits of integration and the region of interest. Guidance has been offered regarding the form of the integral, with references to the need to express the z-values in terms of polar coordinates. There are ongoing questions about the correct integrand and the overall goal of the integration.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information they can use or the methods they can apply. There is a noted uncertainty about whether the integration is intended to find volume or surface area.

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Homework Statement


Consider the 'ice cream cone' bounded by
z =
sqrt1a.gif
14 − x2 − y2 and z =
sqrt1a.gif
x2 + y2
.(a) Find the equation of the intersection of the two surfaces in terms of x and y.
(b) Set up the integral in polar coordinates.

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution



I got part a without any trouble. You just set each equation equal to one another and get:
##x^2+y^2=7##

I also found my limits of integration just fine: ##\int_0^{2\pi} \int_0^{\sqrt{7}} rdrd\theta##

I just can't seem to set up the integrand correctly. I thought it would be: ##x^2+y^2-7 = (rcos(\theta))^2+(rsin(\theta))^2 - 7 = r^2 (cos^2(\theta)+sin^2(\theta)) - 7 = r^2-7##

That would make the integral: ##\int_0^{2\pi} \int_0^{\sqrt{7}} (r^3-7r) drd\theta ##

However that's not correct and I can't seem to find the correct one.
 
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Drakkith said:

Homework Statement


Consider the 'ice cream cone' bounded by
z =
sqrt1a.gif
14 − x2 − y2 and z =
sqrt1a.gif
x2 + y2
.(a) Find the equation of the intersection of the two surfaces in terms of x and y.
(b) Set up the integral in polar coordinates.

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution



I got part a without any trouble. You just set each equation equal to one another and get:
##x^2+y^2=7##

I also found my limits of integration just fine: ##\int_0^{2\pi} \int_0^{\sqrt{7}} rdrd\theta##

I just can't seem to set up the integrand correctly. I thought it would be: ##x^2+y^2-7 = (rcos(\theta))^2+(rsin(\theta))^2 - 7 = r^2 (cos^2(\theta)+sin^2(\theta)) - 7 = r^2-7##

That would make the integral: ##\int_0^{2\pi} \int_0^{\sqrt{7}} (r^3-7r) drd\theta ##

However that's not correct and I can't seem to find the correct one.
I suppose those equations should read

##z = \sqrt{ 14 − x^2 − y^2\ }\ ## and ##\ z = \sqrt{ x^2 + y^2\ }## .

What is it that integrating is supposed to give you ?
 
SammyS said:
I suppose those equations should read

##z = \sqrt{ 14 − x^2 − y^2\ }\ ## and ##\ z = \sqrt{ x^2 + y^2\ }## .

Whoops, I meant to fix those before I posted...

What is it that integrating is supposed to give you ?

Some sort of ice cream cone shape. Perhaps I'm supposed to integrate using those other two equations instead of where they intersect?
 
You need to integrate$$
\iint_R z_{upper} - z_{lower}~dA$$where ##R## is the region you have figured out, and the ##z##'s are expressed in terms of ##r,\theta##.
 
Drakkith said:
(b) Set up the integral in polar coordinates.
My question could have been more specific.

Are you integrating to find surface area, or to find volume?
 
SammyS said:
My question could have been more specific.

Are you integrating to find surface area, or to find volume?

I'm pretty sure it's volume. We haven't done anything with surface area yet.

LCKurtz said:
You need to integrate$$
\iint_R z_{upper} - z_{lower}~dA$$where ##R## is the region you have figured out, and the ##z##'s are expressed in terms of ##r,\theta##.

Ah, of course. It's just like Calc 2 where you find the region between two lines, except this time it's 2 surfaces.

So that should be:
##\int_0^{2\pi}\int_0^\sqrt{7} (\sqrt{14-r^2} - r) rdrd\theta = \int_0^{2\pi}\int_0^\sqrt{7} (r\sqrt{14-r^2} - r^2) drd\theta##
Because ##x^2+y^2 = r^2##, so ##\sqrt{14-x^2-y^2} = \sqrt{14-(x^2+y^2)} = \sqrt{14-r^2}##
And ##\sqrt{x^2+y^2} = \sqrt{r^2} = r##

Now to integrate...
 

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