Proving that something is a subspace of all the infinite sequences

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The problem involves determining whether a subset W of a vector space V, consisting of all infinite real sequences, is a subspace. Specifically, W includes sequences that have only finitely many non-zero entries. The discussion revolves around proving closure under addition and scalar multiplication.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the definitions of the vector spaces V and W, questioning whether W can be a subspace given its finite nature compared to the infinite nature of V. There are attempts to clarify the requirements for closure under addition and scalar multiplication.

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Some participants have offered guidance on the need to verify the properties of a subspace, specifically focusing on closure under addition. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of the definitions provided and whether the original poster's proof is valid.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted confusion regarding the definitions of the vector spaces involved, particularly the nature of sequences in W and V. The discussion highlights the need for careful consideration of the properties required for W to be classified as a subspace.

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Homework Statement



let V be the vector space consisting of all infinite real sequences. Show that the subset W consisting of all such sequences with only finitely many non-0 entities is a subspace of V

The Attempt at a Solution


Ok so i have to show 1.Closure under Addition,2. Closure under Scalar Multiplcation

let x=(x[tex]_{n}[/tex]),y=(y[tex]_{n}[/tex]) [tex]\in[/tex] W
x + y [tex]\in[/tex] W closed under addition and since W is a set of finite sequences [tex]\in[/tex] V as it consists of infinite sequences

[tex]\lambda[/tex] is a scalar and [tex]\lambda[/tex]x [tex]\in[/tex] W closed under scalar multiplication and since W is a set of finite sequences [tex]\in[/tex] V as it consists of infinite sequences

I think this proves it

...But if [tex]\lambda[/tex] is negative this proof doesn't work,is there something i am missing or have i provided the required proof?
Thanks
 
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You want to check your definitions for V and W.
W is not closed under addition because the sequences in W are finite and those in V are infinite... you actually told us yourself that V consists of finite sequences.
What you need to check is that when you add two sequences with finitely many non-zero entries, you get something with finitely many non-zero entries.

So either look carefully at your proof, or at your definitions, because it looks like the proof doesn't belong to the exercise.
 


whoops really sorry V consists of all infinite real sequences.

if W only consists of finitely many entries and V consists of infinite does it not follow that W has to be a sub space?
 


Yes, it follows, but you still have to show it by checking the properties of a subspace.

For example: is W closed? I.e., if you take two infinite sequences with only finitely many non-zero entries, and you add them, do you get again a sequence with only finitely many non-zero entries?

What else do you have to show?
 


Suppose u has n non-zero entries and v has m non zero entries. What is the maximum possible number of non-zero entries of u+ v?
 

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