Proving the Existence of Prime Divisors for Composite Numbers

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The discussion revolves around proving a theorem related to prime divisors of composite numbers. The original poster seeks to establish that for any composite number \( n \) greater than or equal to 2, there exists a prime \( p \) such that \( p \) divides \( n \) and \( p \leq \sqrt{n} \). Additionally, they aim to show that if 757 is not prime, it must have a prime divisor \( p \) less than or equal to 23.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to start the proof by expressing \( n \) as a product of two factors and rearranging expressions, but they express confusion about how to proceed. Some participants suggest assuming the opposite of the theorem to find a contradiction. Others question the clarity of the assumptions made and suggest starting with a specific case, such as \( n = 2 \).

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing hints and suggestions for approaching the proof. There is a recognition of the need to clarify assumptions and explore contradictions, particularly regarding the case when \( n \) is greater than 2. Some participants express uncertainty about the validity of their reasoning and seek further guidance.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of using the square root in their arguments and question the assumptions made about prime divisors. There is an acknowledgment of the logical equivalence of statements being discussed, but clarity is still needed in the reasoning process.

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Homework Statement



Prove the following Theorem.
Let n ε Z. If n ≥ 2 and n is composite, then there exists a prime p such that p divides n and p ≤ √n.

After proving this Theorem show that if 757 is not a prime, then it has a prime divisor p ≤ 23.


The Attempt at a Solution


I really am confused on how to attack this proof. A little bit of insight on how I could start it would be appreciated. So far I've tried making n = xy becuase n is composite and have played around rearranging the different expressions but nothing seems to workout.
 
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Hi FreshUC! Welcome to PF! :smile:
FreshUC said:
Let n ε Z. If n ≥ 2 and n is composite, then there exists a prime p such that p divides n and p ≤ √n.

Assume the opposite

that all such p are > √n :wink:
 


tiny-tim said:
Hi FreshUC! Welcome to PF! :smile:Assume the opposite

that all such p are > √n :wink:
Thanks for the hint!
Would I be correct then to assume the contrapositive of the statement then prove it to be true? my new assumption would be "If p does not divide n or p > √n Then n < 2 or n is prime."
Or is using the De Morgan's law here unnecessary?
 
FreshUC said:
"If p does not divide n or p > √n Then n < 2 or n is prime."

uhh? :confused:

sorry, but that's almost unreadable! :redface:

Start "suppose n ≥ 2 and n is composite, and all the prime divisors of n are > √2",

and prove a contradiction! :smile:
 
so if n = 2 then p^2 > 2. But there is no prime number that can be squared and divide 2. So there is a contradiction? I dunno... maybe it's bed time for me haha
 
tiny-tim said:
uhh? :confused:

sorry, but that's almost unreadable! :redface:

Start "suppose n ≥ 2 and n is composite, and all the prime divisors of n are > √2",

and prove a contradiction! :smile:

Here is my solution not sure if it's quite right though.

To prove the theorem..

Assume n ≥ 2 where n is composite and all prime divisors of n are >√n.

Let n = 2
Since the only prime divisors of 2 is 1 or 2, then..
p = 1, or
p = 2

but If p = 1 then 1 > √2, Which is FALSE. This contradicts the assumption And so the Theorem is proven to be true.


For the second part of the question...

Assume the opposite, such that If 757 has a prime divisor greater than 23 then 757 is prime.

757 has a prime divisor of 757. And 757 > 23.

So by use of contrapositive it is then proven that 757 has a prime divisor p ≤ 23.
 
FreshUC said:
To prove the theorem..

Assume n ≥ 2 where n is composite and all prime divisors of n are >√n.

Let n = 2
Since the only prime divisors of 2 is 1 or 2, then..
p = 1, or
p = 2

but If p = 1 then 1 > √2, Which is FALSE. This contradicts the assumption And so the Theorem is proven to be true.

ok, you've proved it for n = 2

what about for n > 2 ?? :redface:
For the second part of the question...

Assume the opposite, such that If 757 has a prime divisor greater than 23 then 757 is prime.

757 has a prime divisor of 757. And 757 > 23.

So by use of contrapositive it is then proven that 757 has a prime divisor p ≤ 23.

what do you mean by "by use of contrapositive"? :confused:

and you haven't used the √ at all :redface:
 
tiny-tim said:
ok, you've proved it for n = 2
I really need to stop doing that
what about for n > 2 ?? :redface:


what do you mean by "by use of contrapositive"? :confused:
Proving notq →notp instead of p→q because they are logically equivalent.
and you haven't used the √ at all :redface:

I see what you mean. Back to the drawing board with me. This is not going to well
 

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