Proving the Sequence of Real Numbers is Not Cauchy

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The problem involves demonstrating that the sequence of real numbers defined by x_{n + 1} = x_n + \frac{1}{x_n^2}, with x_1 = 1, is not a Cauchy sequence. The context is rooted in the properties of sequences and their convergence in real analysis.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the definition of a Cauchy sequence and explore the implications of the sequence being monotonically increasing. There are attempts to relate the behavior of the sequence to its limit and the conditions under which it can be considered Cauchy.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of the sequence's properties and questioning the implications of its limit. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between convergence and Cauchy sequences, but no consensus has been reached.

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Participants are considering the definitions and theorems related to Cauchy sequences and convergence, as well as the specific behavior of the sequence in question. There is a focus on the limits and the implications of the sequence being increasing.

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Homework Statement



Show that the sequence of real numbers defined by x_{n + 1} = x_n + \frac{1}{x_n^2}, \, x_1 = 1 is not a Cauchy sequence.

Homework Equations



A sequence \{ p_n \} is Cauchy if and only if, for all \varepsilon > 0, there exists an N > 0 such that d(p_n, p_m) < \varepsilon for all m, n > N.

The Attempt at a Solution



We can assume that d is the usual metric on \mathbb{R}. I don't even see where to begin. I see that the sequence is monotonically increasing, so that
1 = \frac{1}{x_1} > \frac{1}{x_2} > \frac{1}{x_3} > \dotsb.
So
1 = \frac{1}{x_1^2} > \frac{1}{x_2^2} > \frac{1}{x_3^2} > \dotsb.
To me it looks like the sequence is in fact Cauchy. Please help!
 
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Well if you're trying to show that it is not Cauchy, state what it means for a sequence to not be Cauchy. That is where I would start :)
 
Kindayr said:
Well if you're trying to show that it is not Cauchy, state what it means for a sequence to not be Cauchy. That is where I would start :)

The sequence isn't Cauchy if there exists an \varepsilon > 0 such that for all N > 0 there exists m, n > 0 such that d(x_m, x_n) \geq \varepsilon.

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still stuck

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Do you have the theorem that a sequence is Cauchy if and only if it is convergent? And if so, what happens if you suppose ##\lim_{x\rightarrow \infty} = L##?
 
LCKurtz said:
Do you have the theorem that a sequence is Cauchy if and only if it is convergent? And if so, what happens if you suppose ##\lim_{x\rightarrow \infty} = L##?

Yes, I can assume the sequence is Cauchy if and only if it is convergent. The definition of limits that we are using states that \lim_{n \to \infty} x_n = L if and only if
\forall \varepsilon > 0 \, \exists N > 0 \, s.t. \, \forall n > N \quad d(L, x_n) < \varepsilon.

Now can I somehow use the fact that x_n is increasing to say that d(L, x_n) is always increasing? And hence it is greater than or equal to \varepsilon for some n?
 
tylerc1991 said:
Yes, I can assume the sequence is Cauchy if and only if it is convergent. The definition of limits that we are using states that \lim_{n \to \infty} x_n = L if and only if
\forall \varepsilon > 0 \, \exists N > 0 \, s.t. \, \forall n > N \quad d(L, x_n) < \varepsilon.

Now can I somehow use the fact that x_n is increasing to say that d(L, x_n) is always increasing? And hence it is greater than or equal to \varepsilon for some n?

It's easier than that. If the sequence has a limit, what happens if you take the limit of both sides of your recursion?
 
LCKurtz said:
It's easier than that. If the sequence has a limit, what happens if you take the limit of both sides of your recursion?

The limit of both sides of the recurrence should then equal the same thing, namely L. Then I would have that

\lim_{n \to \infty} x_{n + 1} = \lim_{n \to \infty} x_n + \frac{1}{x_n^2} = L + \lim_{n \to \infty} \frac{1}{x_n^2} = L.

Doesn't this simply prove that \lim_{n \to \infty} \frac{1}{x_n^2} = 0?
 
tylerc1991 said:
The limit of both sides of the recurrence should then equal the same thing, namely L. Then I would have that

\lim_{n \to \infty} x_{n + 1} = \lim_{n \to \infty} x_n + \frac{1}{x_n^2} = L + \lim_{n \to \infty} \frac{1}{x_n^2} = L.

Doesn't this simply prove that \lim_{n \to \infty} \frac{1}{x_n^2} = 0?

But then doesn't this imply \lim_{n \to \infty} x_n^2 = \infty? completing the problem?
 
Can that second limit be 0 while the first limit exists? Is there a number L such that 1/L^2=0?
 
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Matterwave said:
Can that second limit be 0 while the first limit exists? Is there a number L such that 1/L^2=0?

Exactly. Thank you LCKurtz for your patience! :)
 

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