Proving the Unsolvable: Lagrange's Theorem and 4 Squares

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The discussion revolves around Lagrange's Theorem regarding the representation of natural numbers as sums of two squares, specifically focusing on proving that at least one of any four consecutive natural numbers cannot be expressed as such a sum. The scope includes theoretical exploration and mathematical reasoning.

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  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks hints to prove that at least one of any four consecutive natural numbers cannot be represented as the sum of two squares.
  • Another participant attempts to provide an example with the numbers 2, 3, 4, and 5, suggesting that none can be expressed as the sum of two squares.
  • A participant suggests considering the problem modulo 4 and analyzing the properties of squares modulo 4 to derive a contradiction.
  • It is noted that the square of any natural number modulo 4 can only be 0 or 1, leading to the conclusion that the sum of two squares modulo 4 can only yield results of 0, 1, or 2.
  • Participants discuss the necessity of proving the statement for all four consecutive numbers, not just a specific instance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing levels of understanding and approaches to the problem, with some agreeing on the method of using modular arithmetic while others focus on specific examples. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the proof itself.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the properties of squares and their representations may not be fully explored, and the discussion does not resolve all mathematical steps involved in the proof.

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Hi everybody :smile:
I'm currently reading Burton's Elementary Number Theory (almost done!) and in the chapter about Lagrange's Theorem about the sum of four squares, there is a supposedly easy question which I can't solve for some reason :blushing:. I'd really appreciate a hint or two...

Prove that at least one of any four consecutive natural numbers is not a sum of two squares [that is, can't be represented as the sum of two squares of whole numbers]

Thank you all! :smile:
 
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Well I think this one works?

2 + 3 + 4 + 5 = 14

1^2 = 1
2^2 = 4
3^2 = 9
4^2 = 16

It has to be the SUM of TWO squares... 9 + 4 = 13. None of the others work.
 
Consider four consecutive numbers mod 4, then consider squares mod 4. The result follows immediately.

iwin2000: the problem was to show the result for all {n, n + 1, n + 2, n + 3}, not just for one such instance.
 
CRGreathouse said:
Consider four consecutive numbers mod 4, then consider squares mod 4. The result follows immediately.

iwin2000: the problem was to show the result for all {n, n + 1, n + 2, n + 3}, not just for one such instance.

The square of any natural number mod 4 has to be 0 or 1. Therefore, the sum of two such squares mod 4 has to be 0, 1, or 2. However, out of four consecutive natural numbers mod 4, one has to be 3. Contradiction. Is that right?

Great hint! Thank-you very much :biggrin:
 
You got it.

I like minimal hints.
 

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