Proving this basic fact about the annihilator in abstract algebra

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The discussion revolves around the concept of the annihilator in the context of abstract algebra, specifically regarding the relationship between submodules and rings in R-modules. Participants are attempting to clarify definitions and the implications of these definitions in proving certain properties.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are questioning the interpretation of the annihilator, particularly the multiplication on both sides and the definitions provided in their texts. There is an exploration of the roles of submodules and rings in the context of the annihilator.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants seeking clarification on definitions and their applications. Some have provided insights into the definitions of the annihilator, while others are raising questions about the consistency of these definitions in different contexts.

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There appears to be some confusion regarding the definitions of the annihilator when applied to ideals versus submodules, as well as the implications of these definitions in the context of left R-modules.

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Maybe I'm misinterpreting the question, I'm not sure how to prove that n_0 i = 0.

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I don't get why you multiply both on the left and on the right. I would think that all modules here are left R-modules. So you should always multiply with R on the left. In particular, we have

A=\{m\in M~\vert~im=0~\text{for all}~i\in R\}

and so on.
 
micromass said:
I don't get why you multiply both on the left and on the right. I would think that all modules here are left R-modules. So you should always multiply with R on the left. In particular, we have

A=\{m\in M~\vert~im=0~\text{for all}~i\in R\}

and so on.

Because my book defines the annihilator of X in Y as A=\{y\in Y~\vert~yx =0~\text{for all}~x\in X\}
 
And what are X and Y?
 
micromass said:
And what are X and Y?

"If X is a submodule of M, the annihilator of X in Y is defined to be..."

Here X is a submodule and Y is the ring, the "R" in the R-module.
 
OK, so if you say "the annihalator of I in M", then how does this fit this definition??

In your definition, you have "the annihalator of [some submodule] in [ring]". But if you write "the annihalator of I in M", then I see "the annihaltor of [some ideal] in [module]". Of course an ideal is a module too, but the problem remains that this doesn't fit the definition. So I think there should have been another definition.
 

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