Proving trigonometric identities in converse

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The discussion revolves around proving a trigonometric identity involving secant and cosecant functions, specifically the equation ##\sec x - \csc x = \pm p## and its relationship to the quadratic equation ##p^{2} \sin^2 2x + 4\sin 2x - 4 = 0##. Participants are exploring both the forward and converse implications of this identity.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss various methods of proving the identity, including squaring both sides and rewriting in terms of sine and cosine. Questions arise about reversing the proof and the implications of different steps taken in the process.

Discussion Status

Some participants have made progress in proving the converse of the identity and are now focused on solving for the variable x. There is acknowledgment of multiple solutions arising from the quadratic equation, leading to discussions about verifying which solutions correspond to the positive and negative cases of p.

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Participants note the need to check the validity of solutions derived from the quadratic equation, as the original problem constraints involve finding specific values of x within a defined range.

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Homework Statement


If ##\sec x-\csc x=\pm p##, show that
##p^{2} \sin^2 2x +4\sin 2x-4=0##

Show conversely that if ##p^{2} \sin^2 2x +4\sin 2x-4=0##, then ##\sec x-\csc x## is equal to +p and -p.

Find, to the nearest minute, the two values of x in the range of 0 to 360 degrees, the equation
##\sec x-\csc x=(1/2) (√5)##

Homework Equations


Double angle formula

The Attempt at a Solution


I have proved the above formula by squaring both sides and rewriting them as sines and cosines. Now how do I prove it backwards? I tried dividing both sides by ##\sin^2 2x## and it doesn't really help much.
 
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sooyong94 said:
I have proved the above formula by squaring both sides and rewriting them as sines and cosines. Now how do I prove it backwards?
Have you tried simply reversing the steps of your first proof? What goes wrong? Please post your working as far as you get.
 
I did worked until here:
##\frac{4}{\sin 2x} (\frac{1}{\sin 2x}-1)=p^{2}##

and used the double angle formula, but I got this:
##\csc^2 x \sec^2 x - 2\csc x \sec x=p^{2}##
 
sooyong94 said:
I did worked until here:
##\frac{4}{\sin 2x} (\frac{1}{\sin 2x}-1)=p^{2}##

and used the double angle formula, but I got this:
##\csc^2 x \sec^2 x - 2\csc x \sec x=p^{2}##

Right so far. If you compare that with the equation you're trying to get to, what equality do you need to make them the same?
 
I have managed to proved that conversely. :D
Now I need to solve for x for that equation... When I substituted p=1/2 sqrt(5) into the equation, I have
##5\sin^2 2x+16 \sin 2x-16=0##

Then I finally arrived at ##\sin 2x=\frac{4}{5}##. The problem is I have 4 solutions, instead of 2. :confused:
 
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That's right. From the second part, you proved the solutions of the quadratic equation satisfy sec x - csc x = plus or minus p.

So you have to check which solutions are for +p and which are for -p.
 
So all I have to do is to substitute them back?
 
AlephZero said:
That's right. From the second part, you proved the solutions of the quadratic equation satisfy sec x - csc x = plus or minus p.

So you have to check which solutions are for +p and which are for -p.

So all I have to do is to substitute them back?
 
sooyong94 said:
So all I have to do is to substitute them back?
Yes. Always a good check on the answer anyway.
 

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