Proving Trigonometric Identities: (sin φ+1-cos φ)/(sin φ+cos φ-1)

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The discussion revolves around proving a trigonometric identity involving the expression {(tan φ+sec φ-1)/(tan φ-sec φ+1)} and its equivalence to {(1+sin φ)/cos φ}. Participants are exploring various approaches to manipulate and simplify the given expressions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the utility of expanding quotients and manipulating denominators. There are suggestions to start with definitions of tangent and secant, and to consider alternative methods for simplification.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants sharing their attempts and questioning each other's methods. Some have expressed confidence in their approaches, while others are still seeking clarity on specific steps. Multiple interpretations and methods are being explored without a clear consensus yet.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of confusion regarding the manipulation of expressions, particularly in relation to the denominators and the use of trigonometric identities. Participants are encouraged to clarify their steps to facilitate understanding.

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## {(tan φ+sec φ-1)/(tan φ-sec φ+1)}≡ {(1+sin φ)/cos φ}##[/B]

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## (sin φ+1-cos φ)/(sin φ+cos φ-1)##[/B]
 
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chwala said:
## (sin φ+1-cos φ)/(sin φ+cos φ-1)##
How did you get this?
It is impossible to tell where you need help if you don't show the steps you took so far.
 
To deal with expressions ##a-1## in a denominator, it is often useful to expand the quotient by ##a+1\,.##
 
fresh_42 said:
To deal with expressions ##a-1## in a denominator, it is often useful to expand the quotient by ##a+1\,.##
That is what i did...let me look at my working again...
 
No, you expanded the entire thing by ##\cos \varphi##. Now you can go ahead and write the denominator as ##a-1## and make ##a^2-1## out of it.
 
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fresh_42 said:
No, you expanded the entire thing by ##\cos \varphi##. Now you can go ahead and write the denominator as ##a-1## and make ##a^2-1## out of it.
still not getting...how can you get ##a-1## in denominator?
look at my work now
##{(tan ψ+sec ψ-1)(tan ψ-sec ψ-1)}/{(tan ψ-sec ψ+1)(tan ψ-secψ-1)}##
let ## b= sec ψ-1##
we have
##{(tan ψ+b)(tanψ+b)}/{(tan^2ψ-b^2ψ)}##
after cancelling## (tan ψ+b)##
we get the original problem again!
 
fresh_42 said:
No, you expanded the entire thing by ##\cos \varphi##. Now you can go ahead and write the denominator as ##a-1## and make ##a^2-1## out of it.
not really...how ## cos ψ?##
 
anyway, let me try do it and post my solution, i believe i am capable...then you can post alternative way of doing it..
 
The lefthand member uses tangents and secants. The righthand member uses sines and cosines. Try starting with definition of tangent and secant on the left side; and see what other simplifications and algebraic steps you can pick...
 
  • #10
I nailed it, i guess sometimes i am just too tired or not motivated. Here
## {(sin ψ+1-cosψ)/cosψ}.{(cos φ)/sin φ-1+cosφ)}##
##{(sin φ+1-cosφ)cos φ)/(sin φ-1+cosφ)cos φ)}##
##{sin ψcosψ+cosψ-cos^2ψ)/(sin φ-1+cosφ)cos φ)}##
##{sin ψcosψ+cosψ-1+sin^2ψ)/(sin φ-1+cosφ)cos φ)}##
##{(sin^2ψ-1+cosψ+sinψcosψ)/(sin φ-1+cosφ)cos φ)}##
##{(sin φ+1)(sinφ-1)+cosφ(1+sinφ)/(sin φ-1+cosφ)cos φ)}##
##{[(sin φ+1)][(sinφ-1+cosφ)]/(sin φ-1+cosφ)cos φ)}##
##(sin φ+1)/cosφ##
 
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Your equations would look much nicer if you used \sin and \cos in your tex expressions.
For example, ##\sin\psi## versus ##sin\psi##.
 
  • #12
There are 2 other methods to this...from my colleagues, i can share...
 
  • #13
I have already mentioned one: expand the quotients by ##\cos \varphi + \sin \varphi +1##.
 
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