Proving Two Sets Are Equivalent

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The discussion revolves around proving properties of set operations, specifically focusing on the binary set operator ##+## and its commutative nature. Participants are exploring the definitions and properties of sets, particularly in relation to the empty set.

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  • The original poster attempts to prove that the equality ##A + B = B + A## holds by using the commutative property of the union operator. They also question the validity of their proof regarding the statement ##A + \emptyset = A## and seek clarification on the interpretation of set differences involving the empty set.

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Some participants affirm the original poster's reasoning regarding the commutative property of union. Others provide insights into the nature of set differences involving the empty set, suggesting that the empty set minus any set is indeed the empty set. There is ongoing exploration of the implications and justifications for these interpretations.

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Participants are navigating definitions and properties of sets, particularly in the context of homework constraints that may limit the use of certain methods or assumptions. The discussion reflects a focus on rigor in mathematical reasoning without reaching definitive conclusions.

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To prove that two sets are in fact the same, do I actually have to prove that the two are subsets of each other; or could I prove that they are equivalent by some other means, such as invoking the definitions of the sets?

For instance, the I am trying to show that the binary set operator ##+## is commutative; that is,

## A + B = B + A##,

where

##A + B = (A-B) \cup (B-A)##.

By using the commutative property of the ##\cup## operator, I was able to prove the equality:

##A + B = (A-B) \cup (B-A) = (B-A) \cup (A-B) = B+A##

Is this a valid proof?
 
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Yes, as long as you've already proven that union is commutative.
 
°Yes, I did prove that the union is commutative.

I have another question; it comes from the same problem. I am asked to determine whether ##A + \emptyset = A## is a true statement. Here is my proof:

##A + \emptyset = (A - \emptyset) \cup (\emptyset - A)##

Before we proceed, let us determine the nature of ##(A - \emptyset)## and ##(\emptyset - A)##.

##(A - \emptyset) = \{ x~| x \in A \wedge x \notin \emptyset \}##. The statement ##x \notin x \emptyset ## is always true by definition. Therefore,

##(A- \emptyset) = \{x~| x \in A \wedge T \} = \{x~| x \in A\} = A##.

Here is the portion of my proof that I am unsure of:

##\emptyset - A = \{x~| \underbrace{x \in \emptyset} \wedge x \notin A \}##. The underlined portion is always a false statement, as the empty set never houses any elements. As such,

## \emptyset - A = \{x~| F \wedge \underbrace{x \notin A}\}##. The truth value of the underlined portion is irrelevant to the truth value of the entire statement. Thus,

## \emptyset - A = \{x~| F \}##...

I would interpret this as being the empty set, but I do not have any basis for such an inference. How might I justly proceed from this last step in my proof?

EDIT:

What if I wrote ##\emptyset - A = \{x~|\forall xp(x) = F\}##, where ##p(x)## is the condition that must be satisfied in order for the element ##x## to be a member. What ##p(x)=F## states is, that every ##x## makes the statement false, meaning that it can contain no elements.

Would this be sufficient reasoning?
 
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B- A is, by definition, "All members of B that are not in A". If B is empty, B- A is the empty set no matter what A is.
 
Bashyboy said:
Here is the portion of my proof that I am unsure of:

##\emptyset - A = \{x~| \underbrace{x \in \emptyset} \wedge x \notin A \}##. The underlined portion is always a false statement, as the empty set never houses any elements. As such,

## \emptyset - A = \{x~| F \wedge \underbrace{x \notin A}\}##. The truth value of the underlined portion is irrelevant to the truth value of the entire statement. Thus,

## \emptyset - A = \{x~| F \}##...

I would interpret this as being the empty set, but I do not have any basis for such an inference. How might I justly proceed from this last step in my proof?
I think you're fine simply saying that ##\emptyset-A = \emptyset##, but if you're still worried, you can show that ##\emptyset \subset \emptyset-A## and ##\emptyset-A \subset \emptyset##.
 

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