Proving Validity of Argument Form with Contrapositive and Modus Ponens

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The discussion revolves around proving the validity of a logical argument form using principles from discrete mathematics, specifically focusing on implications, contrapositives, and modus ponens. The original poster presents a series of statements and attempts to demonstrate that the conclusion follows from the premises.

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  • The original poster outlines a sequence of logical deductions but expresses uncertainty about the validity of their steps, particularly regarding the use of disjunction and implications. Some participants clarify the equivalence of certain statements and the implications of the premises, while others question the necessity of separating components of disjunction to reach the conclusion.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's reasoning, providing clarifications and addressing points of confusion. There is a recognition of the logical rules involved, and some guidance has been offered regarding the application of these rules. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to understand the argument structure without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Participants note the importance of understanding the logical implications of the premises and the role of specific logical rules in the proof process. There is mention of homework constraints and the need to adhere to formal logical reasoning in the argument's presentation.

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Homework Statement



a) p
b) ~q -> ~p
c) q -> r
d) (r V t)-> s

proves e) s


Use a demonstration to show the following argument form is valid



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The Attempt at a Solution



1) ~q-> ~p proves p -> q contrapositive

2) p-> q , p proves q modus ponens

3) q->r , q proves r modus ponens


This is where I get iffy and confused, I think this is allowed but want to verify

4) (r V t) -> s proves ~s -> ~(rVt) implication to disjuction

5) ~s -> ~(rVt) proves ~s->~r^~t DeMorgans

6) ~s -> ~r ^~t proves sV~r^~t by implication to disjunction

7) sV~r ^ ~t proves sV~r specialization

8) sV~r, r proves s



does this look legit if anyone has taken a discrete math course that has a sheet with this stuff :(?
 
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It looks to me like all this is given (renumbered so as to lessen any possible confusion with too many letters):
1. p
2. ~q -> ~p
3. q -> r
4. r V t -> s

and you need to show that if the hypotheses (1 through 4) are true, then s is true.

As you noticed, 2 is equivalent to p -> q, so the four hypotheses are the same if we replace the second one with p -> q.

So, we have p being true.
p being true and p -> q being true imply that q is true.
q being true and q -> r being true imply that r is true.
r being true implies that r V t is true. (t is completely irrelevant.)
r V t being true and (r V t) -> s being true imply that s is true.
 
Mark44 said:
It looks to me like all this is given (renumbered so as to lessen any possible confusion with too many letters):
1. p
2. ~q -> ~p
3. q -> r
4. r V t -> s

and you need to show that if the hypotheses (1 through 4) are true, then s is true.

As you noticed, 2 is equivalent to p -> q, so the four hypotheses are the same if we replace the second one with p -> q.

So, we have p being true.
p being true and p -> q being true imply that q is true.
q being true and q -> r being true imply that r is true.
r being true implies that r V t is true. (t is completely irrelevant.)
r V t being true and (r V t) -> s being true imply that s is true.

That was the part that bothers me. I think i have to somehow get rVt separated before I can get that claim.

rVt -> s and something else would have to prove rVt somehow :/

Then I can use rVt to move on. I'm suppose to write the rule name followed by which step I pulled the p and q from.
 
illidari said:
That was the part that bothers me. I think i have to somehow get rVt separated before I can get that claim.

rVt -> s and something else would have to prove rVt somehow :/

Then I can use rVt to move on. I'm suppose to write the rule name followed by which step I pulled the p and q from.

As Mark44 said, r being true implies r V t is true. It doesn't matter at all what t is. It could even be ~r. The point is that because you already know r is true (it is given), r v anything is automatically true by virtue of the fact that r is true.

The name of this rule is simply "addition". See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addition_(logic ) (or apparently disjunctive introduction if you want to be fancy).
 
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Okay figured out my confusion , it was labeled generalization on my paper :)

I didn't realize p proves pVq meant that I could pick any q regardless if I had it proven or not.

Made this way harder than I should of >.<

Thanks !
 

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