Proving W is Real-Valued: Equation and Solution

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The discussion revolves around proving that the equation W is real-valued. Participants are exploring the implications of complex components within W and the behavior of integrals involving these components.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between W and its conjugate, questioning how complex exponentials affect the real-valued nature of W. There are attempts to clarify the role of the integration variable and its implications on the argument of psi.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the nature of the integrand and its properties, such as the odd function behavior of the imaginary part. Others are questioning the validity of treating y as purely imaginary and the necessity of the integration variable.

Contextual Notes

There are discussions about the implications of y being a dummy variable and how it relates to the overall structure of the equation. The conversation also touches on the need for clarity regarding the integration variable and its relationship to the parameters x and p.

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Homework Statement


The question is in the post below.

Show the equation W posted is real valued.

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The idea is to show that W conjugate = W but there is a complex exponential in W which makes things tricky?
 
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Okay. I have put the equation up in the document. Show W is real valued.
 

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Is it because psi conjugated produces a negative in the y value so y has only an imaginary component. mod spi sqaured is real. since y has a factor or i, it will cancel with the i already apparent in the exponential. So everything in the integral is positive hence W is positive.
 
Yes. The imaginary part of the integrand is an odd function ([itex]e^{iy}= cos(y)+ i sin(y)[/itex] and sin is odd) so its integral over a region symmetric about 0 ([itex]-\infty[/itex] to [itex]\infty[/itex] is 0.
 
That is very neat. But is my long explanation also correct? Although in my explantion, I said that y is purely imaginary. Is that correct would sin(y) make sense then?

In that integral y is claimed to be the integration variable but how does that make sense? Why do you need an integration variable? why not integrate wrt p or x?

This means y can't be complex valued which raises the question why are the arguments in psi have plus and minus y/2 for non conjugate and conjugate psi.
 
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pivoxa15 said:
That is very neat. But is my long explanation also correct? Although in my explantion, I said that y is purely imaginary. Is that correct would sin(y) make sense then?

In that integral y is claimed to be the integration variable but how does that make sense? Why do you need an integration variable? why not integrate wrt p or x?

This means y can't be complex valued which raises the question why are the arguments in psi have plus and minus y/2 for non conjugate and conjugate psi.

[itex]y[/itex] is a dummy variable. Imagine if you had a function:

[tex]f(x) = \sum_{n=1}^x 1[/tex]

The integral is no different, [itex]y[/itex] is used to "increment" (so to speak), just as [itex]n[/itex] is.
 
FrogPad said:
[itex]y[/itex] is a dummy variable. Imagine if you had a function:

[tex]f(x) = \sum_{n=1}^x 1[/tex]

The integral is no different, [itex]y[/itex] is used to "increment" (so to speak), just as [itex]n[/itex] is.

Right, W is a function of x and p and the integral has nothing to do with x or p, it is there to evaluate a number with constants x and p.
 

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