Proving x^2 + x is integrable.

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The discussion revolves around proving the integrability of the function f(x) = x^2 + x on the interval [2,5]. Participants are exploring the necessary conditions and methods to demonstrate that the integral exists by comparing upper and lower sums.

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  • The original poster attempts to apply a method learned from a simpler example but encounters difficulties in calculating the upper and lower sums correctly. Some participants question the assumptions made regarding the infimum and supremum values used in the calculations.

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Participants are actively discussing the setup of the problem and the calculations involved in determining the upper and lower sums. Some have provided guidance on correctly defining the partition and calculating the necessary values, while others are exploring the implications of their findings.

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There is mention of needing to partition the interval into equal subintervals and the importance of correctly identifying the infimum and supremum within those partitions. The discussion also touches on the independence of limits from the maximum partition size.

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Homework Statement



I'm curious about how to do something like this. My professor gave us a very simple example of how to prove f(x) = k is integrable on [1,3] for k in ℝ.

I'm trying to apply the same logic to any function so I can see how it works. So I guess I could state the problem as :

Suppose [itex]f(x) = x^2 + x[/itex], prove f is integrable on [2,5] by showing I = sup{sp} = inf{Sp} = J.

Homework Equations



sp is my underestimate and Sp is my overestimate.

The Attempt at a Solution



So first off we note :

mi = inf{ f(x) | x in [2,5] } = 6
Mi = sup{ f(x) | x in [2,5] } = 30

Forming our upper and lower sums and then calculating them :

[itex]s_p = \sum_{i=1}^{n} m_i Δx_i = 6(3) = 18[/itex]

[itex]S_p = \sum_{i=1}^{n} M_i Δx_i = 30(3) = 90[/itex]

This is definitely not what's supposed to happen I think as we all intuitively know that f(x) is integrable in this case. Showing it is a bit difficult for me though. Could someone point out what I may have done wrong?

Thanks in advance.
 
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Zondrina said:

Homework Statement



I'm curious about how to do something like this. My professor gave us a very simple example of how to prove f(x) = k is integrable on [1,3] for k in ℝ.

I'm trying to apply the same logic to any function so I can see how it works. So I guess I could state the problem as :

Suppose [itex]f(x) = x^2 + x[/itex], prove f is integrable on [2,5] by showing I = sup{sp} = inf{Sp} = J.

Homework Equations



sp is my underestimate and Sp is my overestimate.

The Attempt at a Solution



So first off we note :

mi = inf{ f(x) | x in [2,5] } = 6
Mi = sup{ f(x) | x in [2,5] } = 30

Forming our upper and lower sums and then calculating them :

[itex]s_p = \sum_{i=1}^{n} m_i Δx_i = 6(3) = 18[/itex]

[itex]S_p = \sum_{i=1}^{n} M_i Δx_i = 30(3) = 90[/itex]

This is definitely not what's supposed to happen I think as we all intuitively know that f(x) is integrable in this case. Showing it is a bit difficult for me though. Could someone point out what I may have done wrong?

Thanks in advance.

These are NOT what are meant by S_p and s_p. You need to use
[tex]m_i = \inf_{x_i \leq x \leq x_i + \Delta x_i} f(x) ,\;\;\;\;\; <br /> M_i = \sup_{x_i \leq x \leq x_i + \Delta x_i} f(x), \; i = 1,2 \ldots, n .[/tex]
 
Zondrina said:

Homework Statement



I'm curious about how to do something like this. My professor gave us a very simple example of how to prove f(x) = k is integrable on [1,3] for k in ℝ.

I'm trying to apply the same logic to any function so I can see how it works. So I guess I could state the problem as :

Suppose [itex]f(x) = x^2 + x[/itex], prove f is integrable on [2,5] by showing I = sup{sp} = inf{Sp} = J.

Homework Equations



sp is my underestimate and Sp is my overestimate.

The Attempt at a Solution



So first off we note :

mi = inf{ f(x) | x in [2,5] } = 6
Mi = sup{ f(x) | x in [2,5] } = 30

This is your error.

Let [itex]P[/itex] be a partition of [2,5] with points of division [itex]2 = x_0 < x_1 < \dots < x_{n-1} < x_n = 5[/itex], and let [itex]\delta_i = x_i - x_{i-1}[/itex] for [itex]1 \leq i \leq n[/itex]. Then you should have
[tex] m_i = \inf \{x^2 + x : x \in [x_{i-1},x_i] \} = x_{i-1}^2 + x_{i-1} \\<br /> M_i = \sup \{x^2 + x : x \in [x_{i-1},x_i] \} = x_i^2 + x_i[/tex]
since [itex]x^2 + x[/itex] is strictly increasing on [2,5].

Now
[tex]x_{i-1}(x_i-x_{i-1}) < \frac12(x_i+x_{i-1})(x_i-x_{i-1}) <br /> = \frac12 (x_i^2 - x_{i-1}^2) \\<br /> x_{i-1}^2(x_i- x_{i-1}) < \frac13(x_i^2 + x_i x_{i-1} + x_{i-1}^2)(x_i - x_{i-1}) <br /> = \frac13 (x_i^3 - x_{i-1}^3)[/tex]
and in the other direction
[tex]x_{i}(x_i-x_{i-1}) > \frac12(x_i+x_{i-1})(x_i-x_{i-1}) <br /> = \frac12 (x_i^2 - x_{i-1}^2) \\<br /> x_{i}^2(x_i- x_{i-1}) > \frac13(x_i^2 + x_i x_{i-1} + x_{i-1}^2)(x_i - x_{i-1}) <br /> = \frac13 (x_i^3 - x_{i-1}^3)[/tex]
so
[tex] s(P) = \sum m_i \delta_i =<br /> \sum x_{i-1}^2(x_i- x_{i-1}) + \sum x_{i-1}(x_i-x_{i-1}) < \sum \frac13 (x_i^3 - x_{i-1}^3) + \sum \frac12 (x_i^2 - x_{i-1}^2)\\ = \frac13(5^3 - 2^3) + \frac12 (5^2 - 2^2)[/tex]
by telescoping and similarly [itex]S(P) = \sum M_i \delta_i > \frac13(5^3 - 2^3) + \frac12 (5^2 - 2^2)[/itex].

Since these limits are independent of [itex]\max \delta_i[/itex], we must have
[tex] \sup s(P) \leq \frac13(5^3 - 2^3) + \frac12 (5^2 - 2^2) \leq \inf S(P)[/tex]
Now one just has to prove equality.

It's slightly easier to prove for the Riemann integral: [itex]x^2 + x[/itex] is continuous, so by the intermediate value theorem there exists [itex]z_i \in [x_i,x_{i-1}][/itex] such that
[tex]z_i^2 + z_i = \frac13(x_i^2 + x_ix_{i-1} + x_{i-1}^2) + \frac12(x_i + x_{i-1})[/tex].
Then
[tex]\sum_{i} (z_i^2 + z_i)(x_i - x_{r-1}) = \sum_{i} \frac13(x_i^3-x_{i-1}^3) <br /> + \frac12 (x_i^2 - x_{i-1}^2) = \frac13(5^3 - 2^3) + \frac12(5^2 - 2^2)[/tex]
and since the result is independent of [itex]\max \delta_i[/itex] it must be the limit as [itex]\max \delta_i \to 0[/itex].

Of course I'd never have come up with those inequalities if I didn't already know the answer.
 
Ahhh that was the trick. I completely forgot to partition my interval into n equal sub intervals ( Derp moment ).

Then [itex]x_i = 5i/n[/itex] and [itex]x_{i-1} = 5(i-1)/n[/itex] so that [itex]m_i = x_{i-1} = 5(i-1)/n[/itex] and [itex]M_i = x_i = 5i/n[/itex]

Thus :

[itex]S_p = \sum_{i=1}^{n} M_i Δx_i = 25/n^2 \sum_{i=1}^{n} i[/itex]

( We do a similar case for the lower sum ).

After evaluating and simplifying that, we get J = inf{ Sp } ≤ Sp and since inf{ Sp } does not rely on n, we can observe what happens as n→∞ which will yield our result for J. We can do the same thing for I and the lower sum.

Since I = J, we deduce that f is integrable on [2,5] and its common value is 99/2.

EDIT : Hmmm after writing this out I get I = 25/2 = J which is sort of what I wanted to happen, except I want 99/2, not 25/2.

Did i partition incorrectly?
 
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pasmith said:
Since these limits are independent of [itex]\max \delta_i[/itex], we must have
[tex] \sup s(P) \leq \frac13(5^3 - 2^3) + \frac12 (5^2 - 2^2) \leq \inf S(P)[/tex]
Now one just has to prove equality.

I'll just do this for [itex]f(x) = x[/itex] on [itex][a,b][/itex] with [itex]a \geq 0[/itex]; the same idea should work for [itex]f(x) = x^2[/itex].

For the upper sum, I want to show that for all [itex]\epsilon > 0[/itex] there exists a paritition [itex]P[/itex] such that
[tex]\frac 12(b^2 - a^2) < S(P) < \frac 12(b^2 - a^2) + \epsilon[/tex]
So I have
[tex]S(P) = \sum_i x_i (x_i - x_{i-1}) <br /> = \sum_i \frac{x_i + x_{i-1} + x_i - x_{i-1}}{2}(x_i - x_{i-1})<br /> = \sum_i \frac12 (x_i^2 - x_{i-1}^2) + \sum_i \frac12 (x_i - x_{i-1})^2 \\<br /> = \frac12 (b^2 - a^2) + \frac12 \sum_i \delta_i^2 <br /> \leq \frac12 (b^2 - a^2) + n (\max \delta_i)^2[/tex]
So I need [itex]\max \delta_i < \sqrt{\epsilon/n}[/itex]. If I take an equally spaced partition, then [itex]\max\delta_i = (b-a)/n[/itex] and so I need [itex]n > (b-a)^2/\epsilon[/itex], which I can certainly do. This proves that [itex]\inf S(P) = \frac12 (b^2 - a^2)[/itex].
 

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