Pulley Acceleration and Tension Relations

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a pulley system with three masses: m1 = 25kg, m2 = 1kg, and m3 = 3kg. Participants are tasked with determining the acceleration of the bodies and the tension in the ropes, while neglecting friction and the mass of the pulley.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are exploring the relationship between the tensions in the ropes and questioning whether the accelerations of the masses are the same. There is discussion about the implications if the accelerations were not equal and how to derive the tensions and accelerations from the given information.

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Some participants have suggested relating the tensions T1 and T2, considering the ideal nature of the pulley. There is an acknowledgment of the unknowns in the problem, and participants are seeking to clarify how to approach the algebraic relationships involved.

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Participants note that the problem contains multiple unknowns, which complicates finding specific numerical values for tension and acceleration. The assumption of an ideal pulley is also emphasized as a simplifying factor in the analysis.

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Homework Statement


Determine bodies' acceleration if their masses are the following: m1 = 25kg, m2 = 1kg, m3 = 3kg and the Tension of the ropes. Friction is neglected, as well as the mass of the pulley. It is considered that the ropes are perfect.

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m1 = 25kg;
m2=1kg;
m3=3kg;
___________
a=?
T1=?
T2=?
#

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For the first object we have:
T1-G1= m1*a; (the acceleration is oriented upwards)
a = (T1-G1)/m1;
For next ones, I guess:
The acceleration here goes downwards
T2-G2-G3 = -(m2+m3)*a;
a = (T2-G2 - G3) / -(m2 + m3)

Are the accelerations the same?
How would i find it?
 

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inv4lid said:
Are the accelerations the same?
What would happen if the accelerations were not the same?
You may safely assume that this is an ideal pulley, i.e. it changes the direction of the tension but not its magnitude. This will simplify your work.
 
kuruman said:
What would happen if the accelerations were not the same?
You may safely assume that this is an ideal pulley, i.e. it changes the direction of the tension but not its magnitude. This will simplify your work.
I need to get some numbers. How would i get the tension/acceleration? There is too much unknown data.
(i guess we can't get any of T)
 
inv4lid said:
I need to get some numbers. How would i get the tension/acceleration? There is too much unknown data.
(i guess we can't get any of T)
I think kuruman is trying to get you to relate ##T_{1}## to ##T_{2}##. If the pulley is ideal (frictionless and massless) what is the relation? Once you have the relation, you can solve the algebraic system.
 

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