Pumping effect in a pipe system

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The discussion revolves around the calculations necessary to determine the pumping effect required for a pump in a pipe system, focusing on fluid dynamics and the associated equations. Participants are analyzing the parameters given in a homework problem, including flow rate, pipe diameter, and friction factors, while attempting to compute the required pumping power.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines the approach to eliminate kinetic energy from the calculations, focusing on potential energy and frictional effects.
  • Another participant points out an error in calculating fluid velocity, suggesting a need to check the units used in the calculations.
  • A later reply reiterates the concern about the velocity calculation, proposing a different method to compute the area and velocity.
  • One participant estimates that the flow rate should yield a velocity on the order of 2 m/s, correcting earlier calculations.
  • Another participant questions the arithmetic used in the calculations, emphasizing the importance of correctly interpreting the flow rate and pipe dimensions.
  • There is confusion regarding the diameter of the pipe, with participants clarifying that 100 mm corresponds to 0.1 m, not 0.01 m.
  • Multiple participants express uncertainty about the calculations, with some suggesting that the computed velocities are unreasonably high or low based on the given parameters.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct calculations, with multiple competing views on the velocity and area computations. The discussion remains unresolved, with ongoing corrections and challenges to the initial claims.

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Limitations include potential errors in unit conversions, assumptions about flow characteristics, and the dependence on the accuracy of the provided data. The calculations are contingent on the correct interpretation of the problem statement and the physical parameters involved.

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Homework Statement



Explain with basis in the figure how the necessary pumping effect is determined for a pump in a pipe system.
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We are given the following data:

T = 15 C

75 m3/h vand

H = 11 m

L = 70 m rørledning

D = 100 mm

R = έ = 0,1 mm

ή = 80 %

9 of 90 % standard elbows R/D = 1P(15 C) = 9,94 Kj/m3

ή = (15 C) = 1,002 x 10-3 Pa s.

Homework Equations



Calculation of incompressible fluids can be done by:

Δp12 = p2 – p1 = ρ(c22 – c12) / 2 + ρg(z2 – z1) + ρwdiss12

or

(u22 – u12) / 2 + g(z2 – z1) + P2 – P2 / ρ + W + F = 0.

The Attempt at a Solution


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The first thing to do is to eliminate the kinetic energy. We have no kinetic energy because the diameter of the water tanks is so much larger than the water pipes. So we have:

g(z2 – z1) + P2 – P2 / ρ + W + F = 0

We still have potential energy. We do not have flow work, because each of the tanks is open to the atmosphere, så p – p is 0. So we have:

g(z2 – z1) + W + F = 0

We must calculate the work, og we have frictional effects.

With the given data, we can begin calculating pumping power.The first we do is to determine the fluid velocity inside the pipe diameter.

Q = u Ac

u = 4Q / PI p2

= 4 x 75 m3/h / PI x (0,01 m)2

= 0,0095 m/s. Average velocityWe use the velocity in calculating Reynolds numberRc = PuD / ή

= 9,94 Kj/m3 x 0,0095 m/s x 0,01 m / 1,002 x 10-3 Pa

= 0,942 < 4000.The next step will be to calculate what the fanning friction factor is. Here a moody table ore fanning table, or the following can be used:

ζp = έ / D

= 0,001 m / 0,01 m

= 0,1 m .When we find this factor, the next step will be to calculate what the frictional dissipation effects are.

F = 2f Fu2 (L / D)έFirst we calculate L / D. If we watch the figure, we see that there is a sudden compression, from the tanks large volume to the pipes smaller volume. We have 9 standard elbows, and then a sudden expansion. We have in other words a sudden compression, then a sudden expansion through the 9 standard 90’ere.

Lt = (70 m + 11 m) + 0,01 m (9(1))

= 81 m + 0,01 m (9(1))

(or alternative: 9 x 30, found in the table for standard 90 elbow, but the exercise says 1).

= 81,1 m. Total effektive lenght. So solving for frictional dissipation

F = 2(ζ) (0,0095 m/s)2 (Lt/ D )

= 2(0,1) (0,0095 m/s)2 (81,1/ 0,01 )

= 2,23 x 10-9 m2 / s2.We can proceed to solve for work now. We obtain the following:

-W = gΔz + F

= 9,82 m/s2 x (11 m) + 2,23 x 10-9

= 108 J/Kg.

So the negative work is the work put into the system, th positive work is that taken out of system. It is ideal work that has been calculated.We was given the pump efficiently. So if we want to know the actual work, we do the following:

Wactual = WIdeal / ήpump

= -W / ήpump

= -108 / 80

= -2,25 J/Kg.We are not done yet however. What we are interested in is power. The electrical power the pump requires to do the work

P = W p Q (power is always altid positive)

= 2,25 (9,98 Kg/m3) (75 m3/h)

= 1684 kW.

This is the electrical power needed to pump water from the left tank to the right tank.

Is this correct.

 

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You calculated the velocity incorrectly. Check the units.
 
Chestermiller said:
You calculated the velocity incorrectly. Check the units.

Hi!

Thanks for the input. You mean, instead of using

Q = u Ac

u = 4Q / PI p2

= 4 x 75 m3/h / PI x (0,01 m)2

= 0,0095 m/s,

I should instead do this:

A = PI D2 / 4 = PI x (0,01)2 / 4 = 7,85 x 10-2 m2

u = (75 / 3600) x 1 / (7,85 x 10-2) = 2,65 x 10-4 m/s.
 
Estimate your answers when using a calculator. How can a 100 mm pipe have an area of 9 dm2 ?
75000 dm3/h is approximately 2 dm3/s so your answer should be of the order of magnitude of 2 m/s !

[edit: oops o:) ] 75000/3600 ##\approx## 20 dm3/s (not 2).
Divide by ##\approx## 1 dm2 to get ##\approx## 20 dm/s or 2 m/s -- at least the order of magnitude I mentioned was right o0).

##v## is 2.65 m/s
 
Last edited:
Hi!

Thanks for the reply. However, if Q is 75 m3/hr and the flow is pumped through a 0,01 m diameter pipe then:

A = PI D2 / 4

= PI x (0,01)2 / 4

= 7,85 x 10-5 m2

and

u = (750 / 3600) x 1 / (7,85 x 10-5)

= 2,65 x 10-8 m/s.

With the numbers given in the exersice, how can I get 2 m/s.
 
You got to do the arithmetic correctly. That 750 should be 75, and you're dividing by the area. I get 265 m/s, which is very high.
 
The pipe is 100 mm. That spells 0.1 m, not 0.01
 
yellowbird321 said:
u = (750 / 3600) x 1 / (7,85 x 10-5)

= 2,65 x 10-8 m/s.
Again, check what you do. Dividing by 10-5 can never get you something like 10-8
 

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